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3 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Maybe by the ASB....in 2021.

Yeah, its gotta be more than a hot month or two.  It's gotta be over a full season and well into the next one.

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43 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I'm not sure he could, even if he plays at that level.  I think teams would be so scared that it's a hot streak and that he could regress to the level of the previous few seasons.  The stank on those seasons is so bad, it's easy to believe that any good performance this year couldn't be seen as anything else other than a fluke.  

Under my scenario it would involve the Orioles still eating a large portion of the remaining contract. I agree with you any trade involving Davis is pretty much impossible. 

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4 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Edgar Martinez played 138 games at DH in 1995 and put up a 7.0 WAR season.  He had a 185 OPS+.  Frank Thomas had a year over seven in '97 but played less than 50 games at DH.

I'll take the 160 OPS+ that Martinez put up as a 38 year old for the next 3 years.  We'll call the leftover WAR a rounding error.

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2 hours ago, Moose Milligan said:

Yeah, its gotta be more than a hot month or two.  It's gotta be over a full season and well into the next one.

You don't think someone would trade for him next offseason coming off a .900 OPS season?  We obviously eat some (a lot of) money.

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3 hours ago, jrobb21613 said:

30 bombs at the break get a trade done? 

Trade him?  We should be trying to extend him.  😉🤣

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The Davis “resurgence” made it into the Dallas News “MLB Roundup” as the top story. They mention that he has 3 home runs in four spring training games.

Either Davis has lots of fans pulling for him, or his awful past has really been awful.

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14 hours ago, Hallas said:

I'll take the 160 OPS+ that Martinez put up as a 38 year old for the next 3 years.  We'll call the leftover WAR a rounding error.

Not to totally derail this thread, but went back to look at Martinez's stats, well just because and in 1995 he and Albert Belle both of 7.0bWar were beat out by 4.3bWar Mo Vaughn for the MVP.  What a sham.  I guess because Vaughn was a Redsox, the writers hated Belle and Martinez was "just" a DH, but that's terrible.  I am sure @DrungoHazewood knows dozens of other examples which are just as or even worse that than that slight, but it just caught my eye. 

To keep it on Davis, I love that he has bulked up and his making contact, but I still do not believe it is real...at all.  And I don't want him to fail, just don't see how this could be possible after the last 2+ years. 

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8 minutes ago, murph said:

Not to totally derail this thread, but went back to look at Martinez's stats, well just because and in 1995 he and Albert Belle both of 7.0bWar were beat out by 4.3bWar Mo Vaughn for the MVP.  What a sham.  I guess because Vaughn was a Redsox, the writers hated Belle and Martinez was "just" a DH, but that's terrible.  I am sure @DrungoHazewood knows dozens of other examples which are just as or even worse that than that slight, but it just caught my eye. 

To keep it on Davis, I love that he has bulked up and his making contact, but I still do not believe it is real...at all.  And I don't want him to fail, just don't see how this could be possible after the last 2+ years. 

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1 hour ago, murph said:

Not to totally derail this thread, but went back to look at Martinez's stats, well just because and in 1995 he and Albert Belle both of 7.0bWar were beat out by 4.3bWar Mo Vaughn for the MVP.  What a sham.  I guess because Vaughn was a Redsox, the writers hated Belle and Martinez was "just" a DH, but that's terrible.  I am sure @DrungoHazewood knows dozens of other examples which are just as or even worse that than that slight, but it just caught my eye. 

To keep it on Davis, I love that he has bulked up and his making contact, but I still do not believe it is real...at all.  And I don't want him to fail, just don't see how this could be possible after the last 2+ years. 

I mean, I don't blame them. It was many years before WAR or any of it's predecessors existed, much less became mainstream. You make decisions based on the available data, of which there was a lot less back then.

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8 minutes ago, Hallas said:

I mean, I don't blame them. It was many years before WAR or any of it's predecessors existed, much less became mainstream. You make decisions based on the available data, of which there was a lot less back then.

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16 hours ago, Hallas said:

You don't think someone would trade for him next offseason coming off a .900 OPS season?  We obviously eat some (a lot of) money.

Probably not.  I mean, they'd have to be starved for a mid 30's 1st baseman who had one scalding hot year after having several disasterous ones.  A first baseman who's defense is no longer that great.  

Call me crazy, but I don't see teams clamoring for that type of profile.  We'd be eating a lot of that salary, but I also don't think we'd be getting anything in return.

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On 2/29/2020 at 3:09 PM, DirtyBird said:

I actually witnessed Davis illegally dumping used mattresses, motor oil, tires and needles in a back alley in West Baltimore

That's not illegal in West Baltimore.  Maybe making a right on red when flashing light says no...that might be.

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1 hour ago, MongoBoy said:

That's not illegal in West Baltimore.  Maybe making a right on red when flashing light says no...that might be.

Not for dumping mattresses. But you tear that tag off and they're coming after your @$$!

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18 hours ago, murph said:

Not to totally derail this thread, but went back to look at Martinez's stats, well just because and in 1995 he and Albert Belle both of 7.0bWar were beat out by 4.3bWar Mo Vaughn for the MVP.  What a sham.  I guess because Vaughn was a Redsox, the writers hated Belle and Martinez was "just" a DH, but that's terrible.  I am sure @DrungoHazewood knows dozens of other examples which are just as or even worse that than that slight, but it just caught my eye. 

To keep it on Davis, I love that he has bulked up and his making contact, but I still do not believe it is real...at all.  And I don't want him to fail, just don't see how this could be possible after the last 2+ years. 

Prior to, say, 1980 even GMs, writers, etc had some pretty out-there ideas about valuing players.  In the early days of MVP voting like the 1920s you'd often have player-managers get a lot of votes for leading their teams while playing.  Catcher often got a similar bump. 

But one of the more egregious MVP awards was Roger Peckinpaugh in 1925.  The Senators won the pennant, he was their 34-year-old shortstop in his last year as a regular.  He hit .294/.367/.379 with 16 doubles and four homers, and by modern retroactive figuring was a +2 shortstop (although was +21 the prior year).  He won the award.  Also playing in the AL that year was HOFer Al Simmons (.387/.419/.599 with 129 RBI), HOFer Harry Heilmann (.393/.457/.569, 134 RBI), HOFer San Coveleski (20-5, 2.84), and the Browns' Harry Rice (.359/.450/.568).  Mickey Cochrane was a catcher who hit .331/.397/.448.  The Indians' Joe Sewell was another shortstop who hit .336/.402/.424 and struck out four times all year.  Goose Goslin was Peckinpaugh's teammate and had a .931 OPS, 34 doubles, 20 triples, 27 steals.  But none of those guys polled as well as the 34-year-old Senators shortstop who had a 2.6-win season but "led" them to the pennant.

Also look at Johnny Bassler.  I've mentioned him before, he was a catcher with a short career, but in the 1920s he had three straight top-10 MVP finishes in seasons where he had zero or one homers and didn't get to 500 PAs.

In 1944 Marty Marion was the Cards' shortstop, had a .686 OPS, won the MVP award over teammate Stan Musial who OPS'd .990.  In 1947 DiMaggio had a 4.9-win season and beat Ted Williams despite Williams' 9.9-win triple crown season.  Luis Aparicio got a lot of down-ballot MVP support for 2-something win seasons.  Dick Groat won the '60 NL MVP for being the shortstop on the pennant winning Pirates with a .766 OPS and 2 homers, despite being in the same league as Willie Mays (.936 OPS), Ernie Banks (shortstop with 41 homers, 117 RBI), Hank Aaron (40 homers), Eddie Mathews, etc.  In '62 the writers thought a .720 OPS with 102 steals (Maury Wills) was more valuable than each of Willie, Frank and Hank OPSing 1.000.

 I love Boog, but he had a 5-win MVP season in '70 while Yaz was at 9.5.  Don Baylor's '79 MVP was pretty nuts - ran away with it in a 3.7-win season when Singleton, Brett, Lynn, Rice, Porter, Bell, Grich and others were clearly better to a modern set of eyes.  Stargell wasn't even in the same zip code as Keith Hernandez or Dave Winfield that same year unless you're giving him a 6-win bump for being a cool old dude to Pittsburgh fans.

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