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O's hope to lose 5 of their top 30 prospects by July

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34 minutes ago, Pickles said:

First, yeah, I am a jerk.  Frobby basically said the same thing I did, but he's far more diplomatic than I.  

Second, nobody disagrees with what you just said.  I mean, that's basically like saying it rains more often when the sky isn't blue but gray.  Yeah, no kidding.

Thirdly, I'll reiterate my point: It's just silly to me to focus on the effect on the MiL ranking when discussing a prospect call-up, rather the the actual performance of the prospect.  The OP is hardly alone in this regard, and I just find it tiring.

An imperfect analogy might be when your favorite band releases a new album, and the discussion revolves around the new albums ability to get them to the RnR HOF, rather than, you know, the quality of music on the new album.  It's just kind of..... dumb.  (There's the jerk in me again.)

Yet Elias seems to value having a minor league system that is ranked high.

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8 minutes ago, wildcard said:

Yet Elias seems to value having a minor league system that is ranked high.

No, Elias, and every other baseball man worth his salt, values having good prospects.

They're not concerned with minutely analyzing their minor league ranking after every transaction.

 

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49 minutes ago, Pickles said:

First, yeah, I am a jerk.  Frobby basically said the same thing I did, but he's far more diplomatic than I.  

Second, nobody disagrees with what you just said.  I mean, that's basically like saying it rains more often when the sky isn't blue but gray.  Yeah, no kidding.

Thirdly, I'll reiterate my point: It's just silly to me to focus on the effect on the MiL ranking when discussing a prospect call-up, rather the the actual performance of the prospect.  The OP is hardly alone in this regard, and I just find it tiring.

An imperfect analogy might be when your favorite band releases a new album, and the discussion revolves around the new albums ability to get them to the RnR HOF, rather than, you know, the quality of music on the new album.  It's just kind of..... dumb.  (There's the jerk in me again.)

I don't think anyone is worried about the MIL ranking over actual performance at the major league level. The OP and many others are discussing the depth of the farm system when they talk about what the Mil ranking will look like. You are looking at this combatively vs looking at this for the discussing at hand. There is not one single person on this board that just wants a top farm system ranking just for the "prestige" but rather because it bodes well for the future.

If your concern is over the rankings overall, well those are done to give a little perspective by outside sources. I would agree with you that it doesn't mean a ton either way if prospects perform well at the major league level. The rankings are a guide and a potential indicator, not a guarantee. 

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3 minutes ago, Pickles said:

No, Elias, and every other baseball man worth his salt, values having good prospects.

They're not concerned with minutely analyzing their minor league ranking after every transaction.

 

That is twisting the conversation.   From what I have heard Elias say he does care about his minor league rankings.

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Just now, wildcard said:

That is twisting the conversation.   From what I have heard Elias say he does care about his minor league rankings.

Well he cares where they believe their farm system rank within their own evaluations. I doubt they are worried where fangraphs ranked them.

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Just now, wildcard said:

That is twisting the conversation.   From what I have heard Elias say he does care about his minor league rankings.

Of course he cares about having good farm system, but just because we graduate 3-4 top 100 prospects, and our system ranking then drops, doesn't mean that is a bad thing.  

The players have to graduate eventually.  

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On 2/9/2020 at 9:25 AM, wildcard said:

No, not to trade. To graduation.  The O's hope that MLB rated #4 Mountcastle, #6 Hays, #11 Akin, # 15 Harvey and #21 Bailey all graduate to the majors in the next few months.   The will add two or three prospects from the amateur draft.  How will this effect the O's overall rating for the farm system?

 

Things like this are the main thing that I'm interested in (and hoping for) this season.  It'll be good to see some of these guys break into the majors and (hopefully) establish themselves.  With hopefully more to come in 2021 and beyond.

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I made a post in another thread that didn’t get any response this weekend, but it seems like right now the talent in our system is a bit better than average but not outstanding at this point.   
 

 

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8 hours ago, Frobby said:

Technically correct.   We had six picks in the top 44 and only three made the majors, two for a cup of coffee.    Only Larry Bigbie (2.5 rWAR in 392 games) had any substantial career.   However, Brian Roberts was drafted no. 50 overall that year and had a 30 WAR career.   We also got Erik Bedard (17.3 rWAR) in the 6th round that year.

Fair, that was a really weird draft in that almost none of the players from pick 12 where we started until 44 were that great so there were not a lot of “wish we would have drafted X” at least not in that area of the draft.  However Roberts, Carl Crawford, Lackey in the second. 

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6 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

Well he cares where they believe their farm system rank within their own evaluations. I doubt they are worried where fangraphs ranked them.

I heard that they hired Luke, in part, to improve in OH rankings.

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Here's an academic hypothetical for playing around with is next year's farm better or worse?

If the Royals offered Bobby Witt for the five guys in the OP, how many backflips would you do? 

Barring an immediate rousing player development success (Stowers looking like Baby Bellinger, Gunnar laying Chipper waste to Delmarva), pick 1-2 backfilling 2020's graduates (and injuries on the downside) probably will drive most of the delta between this year and next year's rankings.

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3 minutes ago, OrioleDog said:

Here's an academic hypothetical for playing around with is next year's farm better or worse?

If the Royals offered Bobby Witt for the five guys in the OP, how many backflips would you do? 

Barring an immediate rousing player development success (Stowers looking like Baby Bellinger, Gunnar laying Chipper waste to Delmarva), pick 1-2 backfilling 2020's graduates (and injuries on the downside) probably will drive most of the delta between this year and next year's rankings.

I'd do zero backflips.

 

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33 minutes ago, TheOtherRipken said:

I heard that they hired Luke, in part, to improve in OH rankings.

They stole my top prospect! :D

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