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Just now, Mr. Chewbacca Jr. said:

I remember hearing plenty of players complaining about PEDs. Nick Markakis was pretty outspoken about it, for instance. 

Twitter just wasn't a thing during the PEDs hay-day.

They were complaining when there was no testing?  When?

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2 minutes ago, Mr. Chewbacca Jr. said:

I remember hearing plenty of players complaining about PEDs. Nick Markakis was pretty outspoken about it, for instance. 

Twitter just wasn't a thing during the PEDs hay-day.

Must have caused some conflict between him and Roberts.

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3 hours ago, Frobby said:

There are matters of fact, and matters of opinion.    I didn’t do the poll to show your opinion was wrong.  Opinions are opinions.  I did it to show that your impression of what other people’s opinions were was wrong.    And it was wrong.    More people though the punishment of the Astros was about right than thought it was too light.    Same result as the MLBTR poll (at the time) which you dismissed because there was no way to know if people voted multiple times.     

Now, I will be the first to say that opinion has shifted towards “too light” since those polls were discussed here.    In an interesting poll I saw today, 74% of people polled think the Astros should be stripped of their title.    https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2020/02/mlbtr-poll-stripping-the-astros-2017-title.html

I said then, and I say now, the question of whether the players should have been punished is a separate question than whether the punishment of the team was severe enough.     

One last thing:  giving me the opinions of Markakis, Bauer or even 100 other players wouldn’t prove anything to me.    There are 750 players in MLB at any given moment, and about twice that number get some MLB time every season.     So citing quotes from some outspoken critics doesn’t tell me if that’s what a majority of major league players think.     It might be, or it might not be.    
 

Pitchers say they are going to throw beanballs at the Astro players.  A Cardinal pitcher just said he will let the Astros players know what pitch is coming.  100 players talking about their anger like this has never happened before.  You can stay in here and live in a bubble but in general baseball sites all anyone is talking about this.  No one cares about spring training or the season . And unless they are Astro fans they are very angry. Everyone seems unanimous that Manfred needs to go. 
 

 

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Just now, atomic said:

Pitchers say they are going to throw beanballs at the Astro players.  A Cardinal pitcher just said he will let the Astros players know what pitch is coming.  100 players talking about their anger like this has never happened before.  You can stay in here and live in a bubble but in general baseball sites all anyone is talking about this.  No one cares about spring training or the season . And unless they are Astro fans they are very angry. Everyone seems unanimous that Manfred needs to go. 
 

 

If folks think Manfred leaving chances anything they are naive.  He's a creature of the owners and they are not going to put anyone in that position that jeopardizes their power.

They need to release the finding on the Red Sox to illustrate how the Astros were not alone in their wrongdoing. 

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10 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

If folks think Manfred leaving chances anything they are naive.  He's a creature of the owners and they are not going to put anyone in that position that jeopardizes their power.

They need to release the finding on the Red Sox to illustrate how the Astros were not alone in their wrongdoing. 

I think Red Sox are getting penalized as JD Martinez just came out saying Astro players are getting too much flak.

Also won’t help thinGs as Red Sox won World Series year after cheating Astros.  Soon it will be like the Tour De France with missing champions for multiple years.  But remind me was Lance Armstrong punished?

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32 minutes ago, atomic said:

Pitchers say they are going to throw beanballs at the Astro players.  A Cardinal pitcher just said he will let the Astros players know what pitch is coming.  100 players talking about their anger like this has never happened before.  You can stay in here and live in a bubble but in general baseball sites all anyone is talking about this.  No one cares about spring training or the season . And unless they are Astro fans they are very angry. Everyone seems unanimous that Manfred needs to go.

See, it was a ridiculous comment like this one that led me to do the Astros poll in the first place.     Who exactly is “everyone” here?    What is your evidence?

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22 minutes ago, atomic said:

I think Red Sox are getting penalized as JD Martinez just came out saying Astro players are getting too much flak.

Also won’t help thinGs as Red Sox won World Series year after cheating Astros.  Soon it will be like the Tour De France with missing champions for multiple years.  But remind me was Lance Armstrong punished?

He was stripped of his titles and had to pay a large amount of money to settle various lawsuits (looks like about $26 mm in settlements and $15 mm in legal fees).   But, he was not charged criminally.   

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14 minutes ago, Frobby said:

He was stripped of his titles and had to pay a large amount of money to settle various lawsuits (looks like about $26 mm in settlements and $15 mm in legal fees).   But, he was not charged criminally.   

Armstrong also has two homes - one in Austin and one in Aspen and he collects art.  His Aspen home is currently on the market for $14.5 million.  He's not  hurting and he's certainly no example of justice triumphing over evil.

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

He was stripped of his titles and had to pay a large amount of money to settle various lawsuits (looks like about $26 mm in settlements and $15 mm in legal fees).   But, he was not charged criminally.   

 

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