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Kjerstad comes in at #99 on BA Top 100

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7 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

1)You know it’s not your opinion itself but how you are presenting that opinion, right?

2) Its fair to be worried that Kjerstad will not walk enough or that his defensive value will be limited.  It’s also fair to say, will he hit for a high enough average and show enough power to justify the Ks?

That being said, if he can hit 250-270 (and his hit tool is very good) and he hits 35+ homers, you are likely looking at someone who will walk enough..he will never walk a lot but you could see a Mancini like jump from last year, where Trey got his walk rate up to 8.8%.  That should get Kjerstad in the 330-350 OBP range.  If he can do and his power plays, you are looking at an 850-900 OPS OFer with a cannon arm and game changing power.   3) If he does that while striking out 200 times, who cares?

How so?

Rob, It wouldn't matter!

2) Its fair to say whatever you want about what you think he will or wont be. I should have the same right. Some guys don't want to say or here anything negative about the Orioles, Elias, Angelos, the draft process, Poor trade return, penny pinching, and just bad decisions.

  • I hated the return for Cashner, the same type issue happened as in this thread
  • I hated that we gave Villar away for little (I don't want to debate it here again)
  • I wasn't impressed with last years draft (Anyone could have made the AR pick)
  • I'm not happy with this draft! (I've rested my case)

Anyone of these subjects have resulted in heated debates!

If he hits .270 w/ 35 Homers and 85+ RBIs he ends up being a very good pick and you could probably be happy even if Martin ends up being Pedroia or something close.

3) It wouldn't matter except the Orioles as recently as a few years ago had a ton of those guys. It resulted in a lot pf games where we couldn't score due to too many guys having high K rates. Thats why I have been an advocate for high AVG/OBP guys.

 

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45 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Maybe this thread would have been more productive if it went more like this:

Kjerstad is #99 on the BA list.

Yep, Martin is higher, wish they'd taken him instead.

Well, the strategy was to take the cheaper player so the overall draft class might be stronger.

Sure, but I'm not convinced it'll work out.

Yea, nobody really is.

Wanna get a beer? 

Sure.

The only problem is there are to many guys here that you have to agree with or else!

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13 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

See ...this is just another example of a poor post! Show me where anybody predicted Kjerstad would have a -205 batting average. Is it poor comprehension, are just stupid, or are you hoping to get some free rep for saying something truly ridiculous like it was a fact.

Heres a fact for you absurd post, If Kjerstad hits .205 or anywhere close to it after year 2 in the majors he won’t be around very long. Also the only reason Chris Davis and his 27 million dollar contract didn’t make that list is he was essentially a part time player 139Ks in 352 ABs. 
 

Why would you only use players that make your argument ....As been said by someone else, Whitaker, Pedroia, Molitor (22 HRs was his highest), Wade Boggs (22 was highest and his second highest was 11). See, I can do it too!

The guy is widely considered to have the best bat in the draft. I have no idea what he will be anymore or less than you do! Same with Kjerstad! But, I still think he’s the better prospect and don’t think is by a narrow margin. That is my opinion....If I end up being wrong at very least I will be man enough to admit it! I’m betting most of the guys on the other side of it won’t.....wait and see! 
 

 

@ArtVanDelay Why are you confused???

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11 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

How so?

Rob, It wouldn't matter!

2) Its fair to say whatever you want about what you think he will or wont be. I should have the same right. Some guys don't want to say or here anything negative about the Orioles, Elias, Angelos, the draft process, Poor trade return, penny pinching, and just bad decisions.

  • I hated the return for Cashner, the same type issue happened as in this thread
  • I hated that we gave Villar away for little (I don't want to debate it here again)
  • I wasn't impressed with last years draft (Anyone could have made the AR pick)
  • I'm not happy with this draft! (I've rested my case)

Anyone of these subjects have resulted in heated debates!

If he hits .270 w/ 35 Homers and 85+ RBIs he ends up being a very good pick and you could probably be happy even if Martin ends up being Pedroia or something close.

3) It wouldn't matter except the Orioles as recently as a few years ago had a ton of those guys. It resulted in a lot pf games where we couldn't score due to too many guys having high K rates. Thats why I have been an advocate for high AVG/OBP guys.

 

The Orioles haven’t had any of those of those guys.

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4 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

The only problem is there are to many guys here that you have to agree with or else!

My god man, calm down. 

SG is completely correct. I have no problem with your opinion, but you don't necessarily seem open to people with differing opinions yourself and you present things with such certainty when nobody knows what is going to happen. Hell, Austin Martin would probably look at some of the stuff you've posted and think "man, that guy is really confident in me." But whatever, who cares? We'll find out in due time. 

But you just keep shouting at people. Constantly. When things are presented in that way, it's impossible to have useful dialogue. I know...welcome to the internet.  

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1 minute ago, Sports Guy said:

The Orioles haven’t had any of those of those guys.

Any of what guys ??? High average and OBP or High HR/Ks?

HIGH OBP ... Villar was that guy, at least last year. And he was traded for scraps as an alternative to giving him a new contact.

 

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2 minutes ago, lovetoaster said:

1) My god man, calm down. 

SG is completely correct. I have no problem with your opinion,

 

 but you don't necessarily seem open to people with differing opinions yourself and you present things with such certainty when nobody knows what is going to happen.

 

2) Hell, Austin Martin would probably look at some of the stuff you've posted and think "man, that guy is really confident in me." But whatever, who cares? We'll find out in due time. 

3) But you just keep shouting at people. Constantly. When things are presented in that way, it's impossible to have useful dialogue. I know...welcome to the internet.  

1) What are you talking about?

I am willing to listen to any opinion from anyone. But, I'm not changing my mind anymore or less than any of the guys that love the draft approach. I just deal with the teaming up since most are on the Elias side of this discussion.

2) What have I said thats so absurd? 

  •      I've said he was the BPA ...Most outlets agreed with me
  •      Another post compared his skill set to Lou Whitaker and I compared him to Pedroia. I think he has a shot to be that type of player. I've openly admitted that 2/3 of the prospects in RD 1 will likely fail. No one knows for sure on any of these guys

3) I'm not shouting at anyone....Just go back and look at the behavior.

 

Poster ..... RT you are not understanding the draft approach    (REP give by 2-3 posters)

RT .....        I get it, But I prefer BPA and think Martin was the BPA

Poster  ..... But, Kjerstad is in a bucket of 5 players with Martin that were ranked really close (Rep by 2-3 posters)

RT .... I don't agree that they were that close  (Bad REP from a guy who never posts)

Poster ..... I trust Elias that he took the BPA and like the way the draft went (REP, REP , REP)

RT .....       He went cheap with the 1st round selection in order to draft the High School kids in round 4/5 and give them 1+ million each

Poster .... Cant you see that Elias like Kjerstad better?

RT ..... I believe he did it for the the savings. I believe he likes Kjerstad but I don't believe that he believes Kjertsad is the better propsect. Here is an article that quotes him as saying money savings wasn't the only reason

Poster..... Why can't you get it that its a great strategy ...He drafted the better player and two guys with high upside (rep. rep, rep)

 

***** I know you think Im exaggerating ...But go back and read the whole thread *******

 

 

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52 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

The only problem is there are to many guys here that you have to agree with or else!

There are many opportunities for de-escalation.

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54 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

The only problem is there are to many guys here that you have to agree with or else!

I believe they would simply go get a beer with you if you offered. They'd like you too.

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8 minutes ago, weams said:

I believe they would simply go get a beer with you if you offered. They'd like you too.

They just aren't gonna agree. 

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1 hour ago, DrungoHazewood said:

Maybe this thread would have been more productive if it went more like this:

Kjerstad is #99 on the BA list.

Yep, Martin is higher, wish they'd taken him instead.

Well, the strategy was to take the cheaper player so the overall draft class might be stronger.

Sure, but I'm not convinced it'll work out.

Yea, nobody really is.

Wanna get a beer? 

Sure.

One of the best posts I've seen in awhile, and I don't drink beer (or alcohol at all). :D☝️

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54 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Any of what guys ??? High average and OBP or High HR/Ks?

HIGH OBP ... Villar was that guy, at least last year. And he was traded for scraps as an alternative to giving him a new contact.

 

You said they had many of those players, with reference to my description of Kjerstad.

They haven’t had 260/330/550, 35 homer, high K players.  
 

 

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12 minutes ago, Greg Pappas said:

One of the best posts I've seen in awhile, and I don't drink beer (or alcohol at all). :D☝️

Blocked. 😂

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1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:

The only problem is there are to many guys here that you have to agree with or else!

You are absolutely correct!! I posted about this earlier in this thread. Unfortunately, you can be one of those posters. I respect your arguments but, you seem (at least to me) to have a need to "win" a discussion. We are all usually talking in opinion and the hypothetical. There is no "winning." 

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3 minutes ago, MCO'sFan said:

You are absolutely correct!! I posted about this earlier in this thread. Unfortunately, you can be one of those posters. I respect your arguments but, you seem (at least to me) to have a need to "win" a discussion. We are all usually talking in opinion and the hypothetical. There is no "winning." 

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