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8/7 Player Pool - Gonzalez & Henderson added, pool at 59

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14 hours ago, wildcard said:

Speak for yourself.  I don't even know who Justin Tucker is.

Justin Turner. My bad. 

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9 minutes ago, makoman said:

Adam Jones was worth 3 WAR five times for us, never hitting 5. Markakis was worth 3 WAR twice, over 5 once. So yeah, it's tough.

(All bWAR, fWAR was even a bit worse as Jones only hit 3 four times)

It is almost as if folks are trying to set unrealistic expectations so they can call him a failure when he doesn't meet them.

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12 minutes ago, weams said:

Justin Turner. My bad. 

If you are saying that I thought that Justin Turner would be a pretty good player then that would have been a pretty good call on my part.   Truth is I don't remember what I said about Turner when he was an Oriole.

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I don't think anyone thought Turner was going to be a player anywhere near the caliber he has become. Like, that has to be almost unprecedented

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25 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

It is almost as if folks are trying to set unrealistic expectations so they can call him a failure when he doesn't meet them.

No, it's that it is natural to project someone to their ceiling when the large majority of players don't get there. It's why 80th percentile draft picks are seen as miserable failures.  Mountcastle could be a 4-5 win player, but it pretty unlikely.  I'm just hoping for Trey Mancini with an earlier debut.

7 minutes ago, ChosenOne21 said:

I don't think anyone thought Turner was going to be a player anywhere near the caliber he has become. Like, that has to be almost unprecedented

Not unprecedented, but unusual.  75 or 100 years ago it was common for someone to play in other leagues (minor leagues, Negro Leagues, etc) until relatively late in their careers, then have a MLB life starting in their late 20s or early 30s.  Today, with hyper-structured developmental systems its much more rare for a player to be basically a utility infielder at 28 and an All Star from 29-35.  But it occasionally happens. Melvin Mora.

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34 minutes ago, wildcard said:

If you are saying that I thought that Justin Turner would be a pretty good player then that would have been a pretty good call on my part.   Truth is I don't remember what I said about Turner when he was an Oriole.

I think you liked him,

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1 hour ago, ChosenOne21 said:

I don't think anyone thought Turner was going to be a player anywhere near the caliber he has become. Like, that has to be almost unprecedented

Nearly, if Joey Bats didn't exist. 😃

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Hector Velazquez optioned.  That is kind of a surprise.  I thought his major league experience would get him a spot on the 30 man roster.   

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Akin and Kremer in the overflow camp. Makes sense. Hope Diaz gets there soon. Maybe DL Hall, Grayson Rodriguez and Kjerstad too if they have room on the 60-man.

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52 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:

Akin and Kremer in the overflow camp. Makes sense. Hope Diaz gets there soon. Maybe DL Hall, Grayson Rodriguez and Kjerstad too if they have room on the 60-man.

I'd like to see Zimmermann, Lowther and Wells there too. 

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I've updated the spring training tracker initial post at the top of the board.   Added a new category for the Bowie camp.

There are currently 52 guys on the 60 man pool, 44 in Baltimore and 8 in Bowie.

There are 37 guys on the 40 man roster.  35 are in the 60 man pool, some in Baltimore and some in Bowie.  

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