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1 hour ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Chances Santander leads the Orioles in OPS this season?

Dramatically higher than it would have been otherwise with Mancini missing the season.

He and Nunez were essentially identical last year (.771 and .773). A hot streak from someone with power could definitely skew this.

I'd put the odds at ~33%

 

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5 hours ago, CarrRun49 said:

High hopes for a player who has only been on the field 60-70% of the time hes been here.  The best ability is dependability. 

 

5 hours ago, CarrRun49 said:

High hopes for a player who has only been on the field 60-70% of the time hes been here.  The best ability is dependability. 

Yes, that’s a problem. You can’t play well if you can’t stay well. We just have to hope he’s OK moving forward.

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3 hours ago, 25 Nuggets said:

Chances Santander leads the Orioles in OPS this season?

Whoever it is might approach the obscure record of Gary Matthews Jr/Jay Gibbons in 2002.  Matthews had a 112 OPS+, Gibbons a 111, so depending on where you draw the AB qualifier line one of them has the lowest team-leading OPS+ in modern Oriole history.  Almost no one on the roster has cleared league average in anything like a full season, except Davis.

Here's hoping someone like Santander has a short-schedule boosted 125 or 140.

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On 7/14/2020 at 9:25 PM, Philip said:

Santander will have one of the most significant seasons of any Oriole this year. If he duplicates or improves on his ‘19, he becomes a legitimate meaningful part of the future, and If he doesn’t, he’s just a placeholder for Diaz or some other TBA. Most of the other guys are just placeholders, even if they do well this season. Ok, mediocre, or awful, they are just warm bodies for the moment. Santander is different.

I’m glad Santander is back, and I hope he stays.

If he duplicates a 97 wRC+ as a corner outfielder, he's not a meaningful part of anything. Quite a bit of improvement is needed.

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25 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

If he duplicates a 97 wRC+ as a corner outfielder, he's not a meaningful part of anything. Quite a bit of improvement is needed.

Well drat. I thought he had done better then that. Our other guys must have been really awful for him to look so good by comparison.

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45 minutes ago, Babypowder said:

If he duplicates a 97 wRC+ as a corner outfielder, he's not a meaningful part of anything. Quite a bit of improvement is needed.

Hopefully he does not duplicate that.   He was doing well and had a bad Sept.   Hopefully there is some development that happens.

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1 hour ago, Philip said:

Well drat. I thought he had done better then that. Our other guys must have been really awful for him to look so good by comparison.

He ran out of gas in September and had a .363 OPS from September 8th onward until getting hurt and missing the last week of the season.

His OPS through 77 games was .854, his final 16 games dropped his season OPS to .773.

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1 hour ago, Babypowder said:

If he duplicates a 97 wRC+ as a corner outfielder, he's not a meaningful part of anything. Quite a bit of improvement is needed.

I think there is much uncertainty in Santander's projections going forward.  He had a .565 OPS in his first two shortened seasons in Baltimore, then a .773 last year.  One story is that he was yanked out of the minors as a Rule 5er, and that sidetracked his development.  Plausible, but doesn't necessarily mean he's sure to be an .800+ OPS guy.  We need more data to go on, and unfortunately we won't get a whole lot this year.

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1 hour ago, MurphDogg said:

He ran out of gas in September and had a .363 OPS from September 8th onward until getting hurt and missing the last week of the season.

His OPS through 77 games was .854, his final 16 games dropped his season OPS to .773.

So you’re saying there’s a chance!

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1 hour ago, MurphDogg said:

He ran out of gas in September and had a .363 OPS from September 8th onward until getting hurt and missing the last week of the season.

His OPS through 77 games was .854, his final 16 games dropped his season OPS to .773.

He may do well in this 60-game season. In the long run, I wonder if he's ultimately a part-time player who is over-exposed when he plays too much?

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2 minutes ago, jamalshw said:

He may do well in this 60-game season. In the long run, I wonder if he's ultimately a part-time player who is over-exposed when he plays too much?

Well, at the moment I don’t think we have anyone who is better, and damn few who are as good. I am happy giving him playing time until someone better comes along, and the better he gets, the better the new guy will have to get.

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6 minutes ago, jamalshw said:

He may do well in this 60-game season. In the long run, I wonder if he's ultimately a part-time player who is over-exposed when he plays too much?

I would be surprised if we get an answer to that question this year.

He is definitely one of the players, along with DJ Stewart, I most wanted a full season of data on at the MLB level this year and unfortunately we aren't going to get it.

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30 minutes ago, MurphDogg said:

I would be surprised if we get an answer to that question this year.

He is definitely one of the players, along with DJ Stewart, I most wanted a full season of data on at the MLB level this year and unfortunately we aren't going to get it.

Some cases, and not the norm, but Ryan Flaherty played much better, when he had to step in and play full time when Manny went down x2.

 

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1 hour ago, Redskins Rick said:

Some cases, and not the norm, but Ryan Flaherty played much better, when he had to step in and play full time when Manny went down x2.

 

Flaherty had an .800 OPS in September of 2014 when Manny was out.  But that was because he hit .370 on balls in play in like 80 PAs.  If you're going to assign cause-and-effect to that I may disagree.

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