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1 hour ago, brvn52 said:

Connelly made a note that one of the reasons for a PTBNL maybe a loophole to get players not in another teams 60 man pool. Currently you can only trade for players in the 60 man pool, which are essentially borderline MLers and/or top prospects. Neither of the pitchers the O’s traded were gonna get that in return. I’m not expecting much back for either, but I’ll wait to pass judgment. This is a little different than a traditional PTBNL. And neither of them were gonna be on a competitive O’s team regardless. 

So do we think Elias already has a handshake deal for  a prospect he likes that's not on the 60?  He's probably familiar with their system after trading them Villar.  The value of where Villar was compared to what Bleier is now is probably pretty similar, so he might be getting a guy he already tried to get before.

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2 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

Did want to go on a rant in the trade thread for Bleier. But Elias has traded 2 capable pitchers in a week for the obligatory PTBNL.

 

Pretty disappointing for me....Velazquez was a veteran guy who had a rough season last year. It seems to me that a good rebound this year might of produced a worthwhile prospect.

In regards to Bleier, he has two more season of control and looked good so far this season. I think his value would’ve been way more later in the season as the deadline neared. 
 

I get that it’s possible we still get some value out of these guys. But I’m disappointed that all Elias seems to be able to get in an announced trade is extremely young international prospects or the PTNL. 

I completely disagree. I want someone off the 60 man rosters of every club we deal with. Any trade engineered right now is a brilliant one in my view. 

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10 minutes ago, ScGO's said:

So do we think Elias already has a handshake deal for  a prospect he likes that's not on the 60?  He's probably familiar with their system after trading them Villar.  The value of where Villar was compared to what Bleier is now is probably pretty similar, so he might be getting a guy he already tried to get before.

I would assume there’s a specific prospect (or an option of one on a list of prospects) that’s been agreed upon.

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18 minutes ago, brvn52 said:

I would assume there’s a specific prospect (or an option of one on a list of prospects) that’s been agreed upon.

Yeah, Luis Palacios. 

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1 hour ago, weams said:

I completely disagree. I want someone off the 60 man rosters of every club we deal with. Any trade engineered right now is a brilliant one in my view. 

Huh?

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4 hours ago, makoman said:

Brad Brach only got us international slots that we may not even have planned to use. I don’t know what people expect to get for Bleier. 

Brach was a free agent ....Bleier has 2 years of control left. ... mid 30s doesn’t really matter for a middle reliever.

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The only reason its PTNBL is because only guys on the 60 man can be traded and the Marlins are in no position to trade MLB quality players and Bleier isn't worth a top prospect regardless of his years of control. 

No sense in ranting until we know what we got back.  I still wouldn't set my expectations too high, Bleier is a middle reliever that throws upper 80s and had a bad year last year.  

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7 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

I'm calling it now, Bleier gets traded for himself.

Then we will receive back a more experienced player than we gave up!

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7 hours ago, makoman said:

Brad Brach only got us international slots that we may not even have planned to use. I don’t know what people expect to get for Bleier. 

We will get a  24 year old AA relief pitcher with an ERA north of 4.5 or maybe you are onto something with international $$.  I can't believe how people are valuing Bleir.  The Marlins and Orioles maybe the only two teams he's capable of making. 

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Might the PTBNL be one of the Miami covid-pos players (perhaps a comparable reliever, which would allow the Marlins to field a team)? Is it prohibited to trade 'injured' players in MLB? Do I have it confused with another sport?

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Another consideration: The Marlins don't have enough players on the 40-man to field a team. They'll have to select the contracts of guys that are in their 60-man pool that are not on their 40-man roster. When their COVID players come back, they're going to have DFA a bunch of players to get back to 40 (i think COVID doesn't count against the 40).

Maybe this is a deal for a minor leaguer on their 60-man. Definitely not a star, but maybe someone decent that the Marlins were afraid of losing in a week or so. From the Marlins' perspective, why not get someone for a guy like that?

 

Just a thought. 

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2 minutes ago, gtown said:

Another consideration: The Marlins don't have enough players on the 40-man to field a team. They'll have to select the contracts of guys that are in their 60-man pool that are not on their 40-man roster. When their COVID players come back, they're going to have DFA a bunch of players to get back to 40 (i think COVID doesn't count against the 40).

Maybe this is a deal for a minor leaguer on their 60-man. Definitely not a star, but maybe someone decent that the Marlins were afraid of losing in a week or so. From the Marlins' perspective, why not get someone for a guy like that?

 

Just a thought. 

I think anyone like that would be brought up to fill out the roster.

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13 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

I think anyone like that would be brought up to fill out the roster.

Yes, but they'll be over 40 when their major leaguers come back. There is a good chance they'll have to DFA five to 10 players when that happens. They would have to hope they clear waivers.

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