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37 minutes ago, interloper said:

Norfolk sucks, man. They should really figure out some other kind of option for AAA. 

I don’t agree at all.    It’s relatively close by, and I’ve heard the facility is very nice.    It’s pitcher friendly; so what?     It’s not like an intelligent person is incapable of understanding that a .750 OPS in Norfolk might be .810 somewhere else.    I’m pretty sure Elias and Mejdal are smart enough to figure out how performance at Norfolk will translate elsewhere.   

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15 minutes ago, Frobby said:

I don’t agree at all.    It’s relatively close by, and I’ve heard the facility is very nice.    It’s pitcher friendly; so what?     It’s not like an intelligent person is incapable of understanding that a .750 OPS in Norfolk might be .810 somewhere else.    I’m pretty sure Elias and Mejdal are smart enough to figure out how performance at Norfolk will translate elsewhere.   

Haha alright fair enough. Although it being pitcher friendly doesn't seem to help us win many games there. For some reason I thought the facility was not great, also, so look - it wouldn't be the first time I'm talking out of my butt and it won't be the last! 

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Here’s an article from a few days ago about the challenges of playing in Harbor Park:   https://www.google.com/amp/s/pilotonline.com/sports/baseball/norfolk-tides/article_354dd358-5ef8-11e9-9646-f705c0a9f34b.amp.html

And here’s a review of the facility from Stadium Journey.   https://stadiumjourney.com/stadiums/harbor-park-s277

And if you really want all the details of the fan experience, check this out:   https://www.google.com/amp/s/mlblogstheballparkguide.wordpress.com/2018/06/22/norfolk-tides-may-29-2018/amp/

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18 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

Pretty sure some of them were coke heads.

The best and worst story of the '86 Mets was how Gooden missed the ticker-tape victory parade in NYC because he was passed out in a drug dealer's apartment.  Or was that Strawberry?  

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3 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

The best and worst story of the '86 Mets was how Gooden missed the ticker-tape victory parade in NYC because he was passed out in a drug dealer's apartment.  Or was that Strawberry?  

Oh, it was Gooden.

 

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/7122534/dwight-gooden-missed-new-york-mets-1986-parade-doing-drugs 

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1 hour ago, interloper said:

Haha alright fair enough. Although it being pitcher friendly doesn't seem to help us win many games there. For some reason I thought the facility was not great, also, so look - it wouldn't be the first time I'm talking out of my butt and it won't be the last! 

It's a very nice ballpark.  Kind of halfway between what you get in Bowie/Frederick/Blue Crabs and a MLB park.  Probably seats 15,000.  Decent food, good seats everywhere.  Easy to get in and out of.

And weighing the impact of an 80 park factor is the first week of SABR 101.  

You know what would be fun?  Having Norfolk be an affiliate of the Rockies.  A .750 OPS in Norfolk would probably be an .825 in Colorado.

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8 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

The best and worst story of the '86 Mets was how Gooden missed the ticker-tape victory parade in NYC because he was passed out in a drug dealer's apartment.  Or was that Strawberry?  

In 1986 Coke was not just a soft drink.  Len Bias died in June of '86.

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9 minutes ago, Natty said:

Drew Jackson, Oklahoma City Dodgers AAA...400/500/500/1000. 

I think when you're posting that someone is hitting .400 you're obligated to mention it's in 12 PAs.  Ryan Minor once had a major league season where he hit .429.  26 Orioles have hit .400 since 1980.

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Just now, DrungoHazewood said:

I think when you're posting that someone is hitting .400 you're obligated to mention it's in 12 PAs.  Ryan Minor once had a major league season where he hit .429.

OK, 10 AB. We gave him 3 AB in the majors before dumping him...

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42 minutes ago, DrungoHazewood said:

It's a very nice ballpark.  Kind of halfway between what you get in Bowie/Frederick/Blue Crabs and a MLB park.  Probably seats 15,000.  Decent food, good seats everywhere.  Easy to get in and out of.

And weighing the impact of an 80 park factor is the first week of SABR 101.  

You know what would be fun?  Having Norfolk be an affiliate of the Rockies.  A .750 OPS in Norfolk would probably be an .825 in Colorado.

Sure.

But I'd like to see some data on whether or not guys who struggle to hit at Norfolk get into more bad habits in an effort to produce more. How frustrated do they become? Why don't our pitchers really succeed there? How does struggling to hit due to the ballpark affect development? I don't know. It probably doesn't, really, just something I thought of. I understand it's easy to add a few OPS points to the actual results due to ballpark factors, but does the story just end there? I'm not sure. 

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I met him and spoke with him at fanfest a few years ago.  Very nice guy and easy to root for.    Where did his game go?  He seemed on the verge of stardom...   Only 27 years old...   He tanked, got traded to the Brewers for some marginal prospects continued to stink in the NL, and has landed with the Twins and is still stinking....     

 

MLB has had many "flash-in-the-pan" type of guys over the years....   I just didn't think he'd be one.  He seemed to have plenty of tools.    Did pitchers figure him out and exploit some type of weakness?   

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40 minutes ago, interloper said:

Sure.

But I'd like to see some data on whether or not guys who struggle to hit at Norfolk get into more bad habits in an effort to produce more. How frustrated do they become? Why don't our pitchers really succeed there? How does struggling to hit due to the ballpark affect development? I don't know. It probably doesn't, really, just something I thought of. I understand it's easy to add a few OPS points to the actual results due to ballpark factors, but does the story just end there? I'm not sure. 

My opinion, no data, is that Larry Bigbie was severely hurt.  He kept trying to show he was a power hitter and failing at Norfolk.  I wonder if it led to his steroid use.

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