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3 hours ago, ScGO's said:

 

How many more starts for Means? If he finishes strong and get his ERA around 4.50 with his close to 1.00 WHIP, do we consider him?

No. Maybe Pitcher of the Year (if there is such a thing) but he hasn't been good enough to be MVP even if he is lights out the rest of the way. 

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Last week when I suggested the possibility of Anthony Santander winding up being the) MVO )of the 2020 season in spite of the fact that he will have missed a little more than 1/3 of the season due to injury,) Can_of_Corn )pointed out that Ryan Mountcastle was only .3 rWAR behind Santander in half the plate appearances ........

 

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On 9/15/2020 at 5:42 PM, Can_of_corn said:

 

Mountcastle is .3 rWAR behind him in half the at bats. 

 

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Subsequently, I would not mind seeing these 2 players be namedCO-MVO's )for the 2020 season ........ Santander did miss a good chunk of the season, but I believe that it is quite possible that the Orioles might have been in at least moderately worst shape if they had been playing without him when he was healthy. And of course, Mountcastle's overall performance speaks for itself in his claim for the award.

 

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3 minutes ago, OFFNY said:

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Last week when I suggested the possibility of Anthony Santander winding up being the) MVO )of the 2020 season in spite of the fact that he will have missed a little more than 1/3 of the season due to injury,) Can_of_Corn )pointed out that Ryan Mountcastle was only .3 rWAR behind Santander in half the plate appearances ........

 

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Subsequently, I would not mind seeing these 2 players be namedCO-MVO's )for the 2020 season ........ Santander did miss a good chunk of the season, but I believe that it is quite possible that the Orioles might have been in at least moderately worst shape if they had been playing without him when he was healthy. And of course, Mountcastle's overall performance speaks for itself in his claim for the award.

 

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Unfortunately Mountcastle has fallen back of that pace. 

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It is funny - IMO, looking purely at summary offensive stats like OPS and OPS+, it seems like Iglesias has outperformed both Santander and Mountcastle.  Congrats Mike Elias on such an effective signing!

We have a shortstop with a strong defensive reputation with an OPS+ over 150.  This should be your answer right here IMO, but there appears to be too much sentiment for Santander which I expect to carry the day.

Only Roch the Rockhead (or Meathead) is capable of writing an article that mentions Alberto and his OPS under 725 as a MVO candidate.  The guy always plays angles that remind why he is a weak reporter. 

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1 hour ago, hoosiers said:

It is funny - IMO, looking purely at summary offensive stats like OPS and OPS+, it seems like Iglesias has outperformed both Santander and Mountcastle.  Congrats Mike Elias on such an effective signing!

We have a shortstop with a strong defensive reputation with an OPS+ over 150.  This should be your answer right here IMO, but there appears to be too much sentiment for Santander which I expect to carry the day.

Only Roch the Rockhead (or Meathead) is capable of writing an article that mentions Alberto and his OPS under 725 as a MVO candidate.  The guy always plays angles that remind why he is a weak reporter. 

Like the song says,”... nice work if you can get it...”

He’s a cheerleader. He shares news from the organization, but he’s not really a journalist.

meanwhile, I wonder how likely it is that Iglesias will be traded. He has real value, and the FA shortstops are all going to be wildly expensive.

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2 hours ago, Philip said:

meanwhile, I wonder how likely it is that Iglesias will be traded. He has real value, and the FA shortstops are all going to be wildly expensive.

Interesting thought.    He’s been unbelievable with the bat this year. Obviously you’d expect him to slide substantially from this year’s numbers, but it does appear that his upward offensive trend the last three seasons mean he’s a better hitter now than he was a few years ago.   So yeah, if we were willing to part with him we might get a decent prospect or two in return.  

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7 hours ago, Frobby said:

Interesting thought.    He’s been unbelievable with the bat this year. Obviously you’d expect him to slide substantially from this year’s numbers, but it does appear that his upward offensive trend the last three seasons mean he’s a better hitter now than he was a few years ago.   So yeah, if we were willing to part with him we might get a decent prospect or two in return.  

Maybe.  It's a little bit of the old "we know he's not a .373 hitter, but do all the other GMs know that?" ploy.  Even if you believe that his last three years (308 games) is his new established level that makes him about a 2.5 win player.  How much could you expect in return for one year of a 31-year-old, 2.5-win player making $3.5M?  Who, oh by the way, missed 20 games this year and has only once played as many as 140.

Like all hypothetical trades I'll be skeptical until I see it happen.  I think they keep him for at least the first half of '21.

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