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25 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:

Economic factors?  Was Brocail making too much?

Yeah. Saw that. 
 

Makes no sense. Unless it was just worded poorly. 

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7 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Let the woe is me, pity party ensue.

I assume you are referring to the financials? 

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2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Yes sir

Well... it’s not like the team is worth more than $1B more than the family paid for it. 

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This is similar to what happen to Brocail  in Houston.  He served as major league pitching coach for two years after the new administration  came in and then was re-assigned.   I think Holt will play a bigger role in the major league pitching for the O's.   

I don't think the economic factors are about the pitching coach.  I think it is about  the restructuring of the O's minor league teams.

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I believe that the reduction in minor league teams means that we simply have too many coaches.  Also, if every team folds one minors team, that’s a lot of coaches available.  Elias may see opportunities to upgrade coaching.

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So last year, Brocail oversaw one of the worst pitching staffs in the history of baseball, which posted a 5.59 ERA and destroyed the major league record for home runs allowed, and he was retained.    This year, the team ERA is over a run lower, at 4.51, and they let Brocail go.    Go figure.    

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1 hour ago, Tony-OH said:

 

The 2020 stats support you on Flores.   The O’s were thrown out at the plate 10 times, most in the AL and compared to a league average of 6.    Trying to score from 2B on a single, they were thrown out five times, compared to league average 1.5.    

You might be able to justify those extra outs if we tried to score more than other teams and were generally successful, but it’s not the case.   
 

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I really don't get cutting Brocail loose.  I thought he did a pretty good job, as we saw several pictures improve significantly.  Probably comes down to politics more than anything else.

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