Who are the #19 and #20 Prospects?

[Tony-OH]

Who are the #19 and #20 Prospects?

[BohKnowsBmore]

Love that we have some really interesting names extending into the 20+ ranked prospects. Real testament to positive momentum of the system. 

[Frobby]

Hanifee and Hernaiz were the next two on last year’s list, and there’s no reason Hall or Hernaiz would have jumped Hanifee, as none of them played this year.   So that leaves Hanifee-Smith or Smith-Bradish.  I voted too quickly for the former before realizing Smith-Bradish was an option.   Based on the glowing things Matt Blood and others said about Bradish at the alternate training site, as well as the generally good reviews on Smith when we acquired him, I’m guessing these two both jump Hanifee.   So Smith-Bradish is my choice despite my premature vote for Hanifee-Smith. 

[LookinUp]

Just voting the way Frobby tells me to at this point, but I do love that 4 of these guys are somehow not in the top 20, and that there's several other interesting guys even beyond the 6 listed in this poll. 

Depth is becoming deep depth. 

[Tony-OH]

24 minutes ago, Frobby said:

Hanifee and Hernaiz were the next two on last year’s list, and there’s no reason Hall or Hernaiz would have jumped Hanifee, as none of them played this year.   So that leaves Hanifee-Smith or Smith-Bradish.  I voted too quickly for the former before realizing Smith-Bradish was an option.   Based on the glowing things Matt Blood and others said about Bradish at the alternate training site, as well as the generally good reviews on Smith when we acquired him, I’m guessing these two both jump Hanifee.   So Smith-Bradish is my choice despite my premature vote for Hanifee-Smith. 

I did have some spring training looks from people to go off of as well so that could have affected some rankings, especially if I wasn't in love with some of the guys above them.

[Aristotelian]

16 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I did have some spring training looks from people to go off of as well so that could have affected some rankings, especially if I wasn't in love with some of the guys above them.

Interesting clue there. I will also note Luke called Hanifee the most disappointing prospect in the system after 2019, so he was on a downward trajectory. http://www.orioleshangout.com/2019/11/13/orioles-15-prospect-brenan-hanifee-rhp/

I just don't see Hanifee here. Smith was a top 10 prospect for the Mets by some rankings. LH starter with 10 K/9 and not bad walks. Yes, please. I am going with Smith-Bradish. 

[Tony-OH]

Just now, Aristotelian said:

Interesting clue there. I will also note Luke called Hanifee the most disappointing prospect in the system after 2019, so he was on a downward trajectory. http://www.orioleshangout.com/2019/11/13/orioles-15-prospect-brenan-hanifee-rhp/

I just don't see Hanifee here. Smith was a top 10 prospect for the Mets by some rankings. LH starter with 10 K/9 and not bad walks. Yes, please. I am going with Smith-Bradish. 

Hanifee had a disappointing year for sure last year as he tried to make his stuff work with the way the Orioles want him to pitch under the new regime. Saying that, there is still some upside here and why he was not buried on the list last year. Another poor year in 2021 though and he'll be off the list for sure.

[LookinUp]

I wonder if Hanifee is a Yaz type of prospect whose path may not align with the preferred methods employed by our guys. I wonder if they have a plan B for guys like that.

(not that I have enough information to conclude that Hanifee is definitely not a guy who can click with this regime, a la Yaz)

[RZNJ]

4 hours ago, LookinUp said:

I wonder if Hanifee is a Yaz type of prospect whose path may not align with the preferred methods employed by our guys. I wonder if they have a plan B for guys like that.

(not that I have enough information to conclude that Hanifee is definitely not a guy who can click with this regime, a la Yaz)

Who says that Yaz didn't click with this regime?   He had stagnated in the upper levels for a few years before the new regime took over.   Almost anyone would have concluded that he wasn't going to amount much at the ML level.   Perhaps whatever the core surgery corrected had been nagging him for years.   I don't know.   I know that statistically, Yaz seemed like a 4th OF was his ceiling.   And he was 27-28.   Stuff happens.  That one is tough to explain.

[ChuckS]

13 hours ago, RZNJ said:

Who says that Yaz didn't click with this regime?   He had stagnated in the upper levels for a few years before the new regime took over.   Almost anyone would have concluded that he wasn't going to amount much at the ML level.   Perhaps whatever the core surgery corrected had been nagging him for years.   I don't know.   I know that statistically, Yaz seemed like a 4th OF was his ceiling.   And he was 27-28.   Stuff happens.  That one is tough to explain.

Not sure how many fly balls he hit in the minors but if he hit a lot of them and had a good contact rate he could be one of those guys with warning track power that was helped disproportionately by the juiced ball. 

[Sports Guy]

There is definitely a Yaz obsession on here.

[Moose Milligan]

18 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

There is definitely a Yaz obsession on here.

Because he's the one got away.  And people love to point to it as incompetence.

What everyone fails to understand is that every franchise has stories like this.  We've got a thread applauding Santander getting a Gold Glove nomination, yet no one here pats ourselves on the back for getting that guy from Cleveland, but eeeeeeeeveryone wrings their hands over letting Yaz go.

Every franchise has this happen to them, we're not any different.  

[Sports Guy]

I don’t see how was even one who got away.  He showed nothing here.  He’s an extremely rare occurrence.  What he has done doesn’t happen in pro sports, much less baseball, all that often.   
 

 It’s like pointing out that we let Jose Bautista get away.

[Moose Milligan]

2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I don’t see how was even one who got away.  He showed nothing here.  He’s an extremely rare occurrence.  What he has done doesn’t happen in pro sports, much less baseball, all that often.   
 

 It’s like pointing out that we let Jose Bautista get away.

I agree with where you're coming from, but that's the shortsighted view.  The part you're ignoring is that they let him go but they brought Dwight Smith Jr instead, which was viewed as a wash at the time.  And if you believe what was reported the other day, they tried to mess with his swing and approach in the minors, the Giants just let him get back what worked for him.  

I will agree with you that it's a rare occurrence, but it still happens.  Max Muncy comes to mind because he's in the WS right now.  Teams let guys get away who have struggled in the minors and majors and they go on elsewhere to do good or great things.  

[Tony-OH]

2 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

I agree with where you're coming from, but that's the shortsighted view.  The part you're ignoring is that they let him go but they brought Dwight Smith Jr instead, which was viewed as a wash at the time.  And if you believe what was reported the other day, they tried to mess with his swing and approach in the minors, the Giants just let him get back what worked for him.  

I will agree with you that it's a rare occurrence, but it still happens.  Max Muncy comes to mind because he's in the WS right now.  Teams let guys get away who have struggled in the minors and majors and they go on elsewhere to do good or great things.  

This is the part where I think the new regime (scouts), manager and coaching staff failed a bit. I'm not sure how anyone could have missed how bad a defensive outfielder Dwight Smith Jr. was already. I can understand thinking Smith Jr.s bat would potentially play better than Yaz's, but that defense was horrid by Smith.