How did the Os spend 100-160M on payroll for basically 5 years with down attendance?
And btw, why was that attendance down to begin with?
Just to provide you an example..Seattle spent twice the money the Os did in 2019 and only had 400K more fans. Now, I’m not asking for the team to spend 144 million like Seattle did but 80-100M? Absolutely and if you don’t think they could handle that, you just aren’t paying attention.
How you choose to read into what I’m saying means little to me. Quite frankly, if you want to misinterpret what I am saying, that’s on you.
That being said, I want to see an argument from you that the Orioles are out there trying their best to field a team that will win games in 2021.
Well I have stated that I would definitely sign or trade for a back end of the pen guy. I think it would be big for this team to have a top vet back there. Now, im Not willing to go crazy and spend huge money(at least not huge money and long term..1-2 years I don’t mind) but I think there are some quality arms out there in FA and available in trades.
I had wanted Stroman but that’s obviously out unless you can trade for him and Cohen isnt exactly hurting for money, so that’s not likely. But yes, I would add a starter. FA/traded starter, Means, Cobb, Akin and Kremer is fine for me. Flying under the disguise of rebuilding is what gets a guy like Lopez several starts when you already know he isn’t good.
Third base, as I have said, is a position I would trade for. You have blocked prospects throughout the league that you likely could get. I wouldn’t go after a Kris Bryant or spend stupid money on this position because of the players available. (For example, I’m not spending on Justin Turner)
Second is likely a similar scenario although I honestly haven’t really looked hard into second base. I don’t mind Sanchez to be honest. I like the idea of the really good defense there.
So, I’m not talking going crazy here. I’m not trying to block anyone. But I do want to see an attempt at getting better. I do want to see a better product. I don’t want to continue to see players we know aren’t good get chance after chance. We don’t need to see Lopez get 20 starts or Valaika get 300+ at bats. We know what they are and they aren’t good.
I think this team has a chance to have a pretty good overall pitching staff, good up the middle defense and with some development of the young players, they could be decent. Also, health will be very important.
Also, I expect Diaz and Rutschman up this year.
I think the power outage was mostly a result of pitchers attacking him outside the zone and him chasing. He has the ability to make contact with the pitches but he wasn't barreling them, resulting in weak contact.
Attendance has been down, perpetually in the bottom half of the league going back to 2006, except 2014 when they were 6th out of 15 and it's been abysmal for 2018 and 2019.
Some people will scream "MASN money!!!!" but I'm also not sure how you can just say "it's fair to say" they have a lot of payroll they could add. Again, no one has access to the books, no one knows for sure.
I am not sure how a team can sustain 120+ million in payroll for years on end when the attendance is where it is. I'm too lazy to look and I also don't really care but I would be surprised to find a team that has a payroll in the range that you deem acceptable for the Orioles that has the attendance records that the Orioles do for a number of years in a row on end.
I agree that it's about how you spend it but I'm fine with the Orioles not spending it if Elias deems that whatever's out there isn't worth it.
I did not say that you disagreeing is wrong.
I said that the way in which you choose to express your disagreement is wrong.
You presume unto yourself the ability to understand not only the actions of management and ownership, but their motivations. You state emphatically and repeatedly that "they do not want to win".
That is a dishonest tactic... You do not and cannot know that which you claim to know.
You can know what they do. You can know what they say. But you cannot read their hearts and minds. And to pretend that you can is dishonest and disingenuous. And worse yet, you pretend that anyone who might interpret their actions differently than you do is some kind of rube... "being duped".
Maybe you're not aware of how this is perceived by others, but it isn't positively.
I'm happy to discuss differences of opinion. And am happy to have someone who doesn't share my opinion. It makes for interesting discussion. I'm just asking you to restrain the things that turn discussion into conflict.