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24 minutes ago, VaBird1 said:

Is Lopez better than Eschelman?

I think so ... Eshelman has. Mediocre stuff. Lopez has potential due to his stuff. Hopefully he can figure it out here.

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No. 8: outfielder Yusniel Diaz
No. 9: right-hander Michael Baumann
No. 11: left-hander Zac Lowther
No. 19: left-hander Alexander Wells
No. 25: infielder Rylan Bannon
No. 26: right-hander Cody Sedlock
No. 27: right-hander Brenan Hanifee

The 40-man roster is holding 35 players and more room can be created, but the Orioles aren’t going to protect everyone from the above list. And there are others outside the Top 30, including relievers Isaac Mattson and Zach Pop and infielder Mason McCoy, who must be considered.

This is from Roch in his morning column. I just to understand why we would keep the.  AAAA fodder on our roster over protecting these guys.

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26 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

This is from Roch in his morning column. I just to understand why we would keep the.  AAAA fodder on our roster over protecting these guys.

Well, you do run the risk of losing these guys as the offseason and season goes on.

You are, in theory, correct.  The problem is, if you protect all of them but then make roster additions as the season goes on, you now just expose them to waivers and they can be picked up and stored in the minors.

If you leave them off the 40 man right now, they can only be chosen in the Rule 5 and if they don’t stick with the big league club that takes them, they get sent back to us.  In other words, it’s far more likely you lose them if you keep them and waive them later than if you expose them right now.

Of that list, I would think Sedlock and Hanifee are definitely left unprotected.  I don’t think McCoy is someone they would consider but I think they should protect Pop.

 

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1 hour ago, VaBird1 said:

Is Lopez better than Eschelman?

Eshelman is a control pitcher without much velocity.  He has to hit his spots to be effective.  When his control is off he gets hit hard.  Lopez has decent stuff but lacks consistent control.    Lopez has a higher ceiling but a lower floor.

They are both struggling fringe major leaguers.  But Lopez has the stuff to be a good major league pitcher if the O's coaching staff can help him find consistent control.  They have already simplified his deliver.   He is still a work in progress going into his age 28 season next year.

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On 11/10/2020 at 8:47 PM, Roll Tide said:

Yeah ...Clevengers numbers look very similar. I’d take a Trumbull type as long as we don5 make the mistake of signing him long term

I knew an Orioles scout who told me when Sisco was in AA that he was basically Clevenger. I was like, "Really? you don't think he will hit better?" He thought the bat was slow and he would never hit for power. I do think he was wrong a bit on the power, but Sisco seems to have sold out any average for his new found power.

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I think Elias will protect Diaz, Baumann, Lowther & Mattson, with an outside chance he could protect Bannon as well since he is close to the majors and can play 2B/3B.  Bannon did well in his brief trial at Norfolk at the end of 2019, and I could see another team taking him in the Rule V because of his versatility & gamer style.  Losing Bannon wouldn’t be a huge loss if he gets picked, but he’s a good guy to have around for depth, so I don’t know if I’d risk losing him.  I don’t think anyone will pick Zach Pop because he’s coming off the surgery and no one has seen him pitch in 2 years.  Otherwise, he’s someone we’d definitely have to consider protecting because of his upside as a late inning reliever when healthy and success he’s had so far in his short career.

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I can’t imagine Elias not protecting Mattson if he really believes he’s ready this coming season

 

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“I would say Mattson was the one with whom I was the least familiar,” Elias said on the day of the trade, “but you look at his numbers, he’s been really dominant across the minor leagues and especially lately just dominant wherever you send him, including the Arizona Fall League. We feel that he might be somebody that we can see up here to help our team next year.”

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On 11/16/2020 at 1:07 PM, Obando said:

I think Elias will protect Diaz, Baumann, Lowther & Mattson, with an outside chance he could protect Bannon as well since he is close to the majors and can play 2B/3B.  Bannon did well in his brief trial at Norfolk at the end of 2019, and I could see another team taking him in the Rule V because of his versatility & gamer style.  Losing Bannon wouldn’t be a huge loss if he gets picked, but he’s a good guy to have around for depth, so I don’t know if I’d risk losing him.  I don’t think anyone will pick Zach Pop because he’s coming off the surgery and no one has seen him pitch in 2 years.  Otherwise, he’s someone we’d definitely have to consider protecting because of his upside as a late inning reliever when healthy and success he’s had so far in his short career.

I agree with you.

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On 11/16/2020 at 1:07 PM, Obando said:

I think Elias will protect Diaz, Baumann, Lowther & Mattson, with an outside chance he could protect Bannon as well since he is close to the majors and can play 2B/3B.  Bannon did well in his brief trial at Norfolk at the end of 2019, and I could see another team taking him in the Rule V because of his versatility & gamer style.  Losing Bannon wouldn’t be a huge loss if he gets picked, but he’s a good guy to have around for depth, so I don’t know if I’d risk losing him.  I don’t think anyone will pick Zach Pop because he’s coming off the surgery and no one has seen him pitch in 2 years.  Otherwise, he’s someone we’d definitely have to consider protecting because of his upside as a late inning reliever when healthy and success he’s had so far in his short career.

I agree with most of this. I will just counter on Pop that we should not assume that no one has seen him. He has been throwing at a facility in Canada. Someone is seeing him throw. Many of these facilities have ties to major league scouts or coaches. People share info from these facilities all the time. It’s a network.

If Pop is taken, he’s 18 months out from TJ now. So he is throwing off a mound. He should be on a plan and be full go sometime in Spring, maybe May at latest, with no set backs. Plenty of ways to put him on IL and then go on a rehab assignment. Then do his 60 days on a MLB active roster and we lose him. 

My guidance on this is if I think he’ll pitch in MLB this season, and I want to keep him, you have to protect him. Mattson will likely be easier to replace than Pop, IMO. 

I’m not as high on Bannon, but there is plenty of room. 

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On 11/16/2020 at 1:07 PM, Obando said:

I think Elias will protect Diaz, Baumann, Lowther & Mattson, with an outside chance he could protect Bannon as well since he is close to the majors and can play 2B/3B.  Bannon did well in his brief trial at Norfolk at the end of 2019, and I could see another team taking him in the Rule V because of his versatility & gamer style.  Losing Bannon wouldn’t be a huge loss if he gets picked, but he’s a good guy to have around for depth, so I don’t know if I’d risk losing him.  I don’t think anyone will pick Zach Pop because he’s coming off the surgery and no one has seen him pitch in 2 years.  Otherwise, he’s someone we’d definitely have to consider protecting because of his upside as a late inning reliever when healthy and success he’s had so far in his short career.

I’ve heard that there  is a gentleman’s agreement about not picking guys in certain situations. I’ve seen it discussed before and a guy coming back from TJS might be one of those. But I don’t claim to know.

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17 minutes ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

For those saying Pop won’t be taken due to coming off TJ, Santander was taken after shoulder surgery too.

Kind of different for a pitcher, no?

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1 hour ago, LookinUp said:

Kind of different for a pitcher, no?

For a shoulder, sure. For a TJ, I don’t think it is that concerning if you have the information to make a decision on how the rehab has gone. 

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2 hours ago, Legend_Of_Joey said:

For those saying Pop won’t be taken due to coming off TJ, Santander was taken after shoulder surgery too.

An injury could allow you to stash a guy on the DL until you know what you've got. Worked in Santander's case. 

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