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44 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

It's not 100% money driven and how can we be arguing bout Stewart's lack of defensive value when we are comparing him to Nunez?     If Nunez was a better player they would keep him and pay the 2M.   How else do you explain them resigning Iglesias for 3.5M?    They see value there.    They have simply determined they can get similar value to Nunez for 1M or more less.    Yes, it is very much money related but certainly not 100%.   Overall Stewart and Nunez, based on Stewart's limited career, look to provide similar offensive value.   Stewart has the added bonus of being left handed and making a lot less money.   Nunez's platoon splits against LHP are ordinary for a RH hitter so a 2M platoon player doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Orioles.    If Stewart is indeed platooned (his career OPS of .683 in 60 AB's and minor league splits (which another poster alluded to) don't make this a sure thing either.

Point #2.  Is there a team in baseball who will give us a warm body for Nunez got his production and relatively inexpensive salary?    What, if anything, we can get for Nunez will somewhat prove that this is not 100% money related.   If it was, another team would jump to get him, wouldn't they?

Agree with you on Nunez.  But I think you are too high on Stewart.  He is not in the hitting  class of Mancini or Mountcastle at DH.   And Hays, Mullins, Santander and in a few months Diaz are all better defensive outfielders.  

I think Stewart is more likely to be at AAA until injuries hit.

 

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This is silly.  Every decision on a ML roster has a money element.  I still think that other issues were more important for Nunez, but, of course, money is always a factor.

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

Agree with you on Nunez.  But I think you are too high on Stewart.  He is not in the hitting  class of Mancini or Mountcastle at DH.   And Hays, Mullins, Santander and in a few months Diaz are all better defensive outfielders.  

I think Stewart is more likely to be at AAA until injuries hit.

 

To start the year I suspect we'll see Mountcastle in LF, Mancini at 1B, and Stewart at DH.  After that it depends on what Diaz does in AAA and the others are doing in the bigs.

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On 11/21/2020 at 1:43 AM, Sports Guy said:

I don’t see it as a conundrum because you have no one who is a definite and you should be cutting Davis as soon as you know when the season is starting.

You could have gone to arbitration, agreed with him on a number and then cut him in ST and only be on the hook for 20% of the salary.  Without knowing what’s happening with Mancini or several of the COers, that’s a small price to pay for a productive insurance policy.

I agree he’s the lowest upside in terms of being an all around player but he has value and 800 OPS/30 homer guys don’t grow on trees.

Agreed.  From the standpoint of "we are trying to field the best baseball team we can" (which seems to be what the Orioles are at least pretending to do) cutting Nunez before Davis is maddening and stupid.

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2 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Stewart makes A LOT less money?  It will be like 1-1.5M.  That’s nothing in baseball money.  
 

And again, your argument is making assumptions of health and production.  The health argument is an awful assumption to make and the production assumption is borderline as well.

Iglesias provides you good defense and a decent bat at a position where that’s not easy to find.  3.5M, again, is no money.  No even worth mentioning that in the context you are.

The “another team would jump on him” argument is a bad one because he is basically limited to the DH and right now, we don’t know if the DH will be allowed in the NL.  So, the options are very limited.  The Orioles, however, do have space for him and their payroll is 100ishM less than it could be.  Other teams don’t have as much payroll flexibility.

Again, my hope would be that Nunez is struggling to see at bats by June.  There are other options I prefer.  But none of them are guarantees for several different reasons and having Nunez around, for no money, at his production was worthwhile.  The team is just being cheap.  To me, it’s that simple.  

So, you say that the difference in Stewart money and Nunez money is insignificant in baseball terms and then say the move is 100% because of money.  How's that cake?

You agree that Iglesias has value and Nunez has very little.  You seem to be agreeing with me.  

I agree that there is risk from a depth perspective as Hays, Santander, and Stewart have had trouble staying on the field at different points.  

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12 minutes ago, Yardball85 said:

Agreed.  From the standpoint of "we are trying to field the best baseball team we can" (which seems to be what the Orioles are at least pretending to do) cutting Nunez before Davis is maddening and stupid.

From a baseball perspective cutting Nunez before Davis is maddening and stupid but, there is a big difference. They can't get out of paying Davis but, they can Nunez. If fact, without having to pay Davis they may have kept Nunez. The O's are still feeling the sting of PA's mismanagement of the team and they will until 2037 or whenever they finish off paying Davis. 

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33 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

To start the year I suspect we'll see Mountcastle in LF, Mancini at 1B, and Stewart at DH.  After that it depends on what Diaz does in AAA and the others are doing in the bigs.

So Hyde loves Mullins' defend in center and Mullins hits right-hander for almost a 800 OPS and Hyde is going to just sit Mullins  so can DH Stewart.  Makes no sense to me.

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1 hour ago, RZNJ said:

So, you say that the difference in Stewart money and Nunez money is insignificant in baseball terms and then say the move is 100% because of money.  How's that cake?

You agree that Iglesias has value and Nunez has very little.  You seem to be agreeing with me.  

I agree that there is risk from a depth perspective as Hays, Santander, and Stewart have had trouble staying on the field at different points.  

1). Because we have cheap owners who are making a big deal about the money.  That’s my whole point!  The money is nothing and yet they are making a big deal about it.

2). I think Nunez has good offensive value but not all around value.  Iglesias has good value for his position at his salary.

3). You can add Diaz and Mancini to that list.

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27 minutes ago, wildcard said:

So Hyde loves Mullins' defend in center and Mullins hits right-hander for almost a 800 OPS and Hyde is going to just sit Mullins  so can DH Stewart.  Makes no sense to me.

Mullins hits RHer for almost an 800 OPS?

That sentence reads as if that is over a lot of bats over his career.  Let’s not overstate what he has done and let’s also recognize that his OPS is helped in a major way by bunt hits. 

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11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Mullins hits RHer for almost an 800 OPS?

That sentence reads as if that is over a lot of bats over his career.  Let’s not overstate what he has done and let’s also recognize that his OPS is helped in a major way by bunt hits. 

OK, sounds right.

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Let's look at the comparisons using some key stats and metrics between Nunez and Stewart. Both players will play most of next season at 27 but Nunez is actually five months younger than Stewart. Stewart bats left-handed and Nunez bats right-handed. Stewart is a below average defensive corner outfielder, Nunez is a below average defensive corner infielder. Both probably should spend most of their time at DH.

Name WOBA XWOBA Barrel% Hard hit% EV K% B% wRC+
Stewart .347 .326 19.2 46.2 91.4 33.9 17.9 123
Nunez .347 .301 12.1 36.4 86.3 29.6 7.9 119
MLB AVG .317 .321 6.4 34.9 88.3 21.8 8.3 100

Now it's worth noting that Nunez has a better track record of success at the major league level and had almost twice as many PAs than Stewart and Stewart hit all of his home runs over a nine game stretch where he slashed .394/.444./1.061/1.505 over 36 PAs. 

Stewart 2020 streaks:
First 10 games over 28 PAs: .000/.386/.000/.385
Next  9 games over 36 PAs: .394/.444./1.061/1.505 (all 7 home runs)
Last 12 games over 48 PAs: .103/.271/.128/.399

So at the end of the day, Stewart outperformed Nunez in most metrics, but almost all of that damage came over 36 PAs.  

Given the track record and the fact that it's doubtful Nunez would make over 2 Million next year, I think he was worth keeping on the roster, especially considering the injury history of several players that would take PAs away from him.

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1 hour ago, wildcard said:

So Hyde loves Mullins' defend in center and Mullins hits right-hander for almost a 800 OPS and Hyde is going to just sit Mullins  so can DH Stewart.  Makes no sense to me.

Mullins will get AB's.  I just don't see him starting everyday in CF if everyone is healthy. However,  I believe Mullins gaining everyday AB's is certainly possible and that would pretty much take away Stewart's role as Mountcastle would move out of the OF and either he or Mancini would DH.  

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6 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Mullins will get AB's.  I just don't see him starting everyday in CF if everyone is healthy. However,  I believe Mullins gaining everyday AB's is certainly possible and that would pretty much take away Stewart's role as Mountcastle would move out of the OF and either he or Mancini would DH.  

i don't see Mullins as an everyday CF either.  I see him has a platoon CF vs right-handed pitching plus as  a defensive replacement when a lefties starters and the O's are protecting a lead.

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