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3 hours ago, NCRaven said:

They are 4th and 5th outfielders.

Well I suppose that depends on where Stewart can maximize his ability, but the team doesn’t need five outfielders on the 25 man roster. Especially because Mancini can stand in right field, and Mountcastle can allegedly play left. Makes Stewart more superfluous.

You’ve got the four regulars, and two substitutes playing other positions. Stewart looked mostly ok in right, I think, butI’d still rather have Mullins.

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59 minutes ago, Philip said:

Well I suppose that depends on where Stewart can maximize his ability, but the team doesn’t need five outfielders on the 25 man roster. Especially because Mancini can stand in right field, and Mountcastle can allegedly play left. Makes Stewart more superfluous.

You’ve got the four regulars, and two substitutes playing other positions. Stewart looked mostly ok in right, I think, butI’d still rather have Mullins.

I can agree with that, to a point. There are factors that could likely keep both in Baltimore for a while. Mullins and Stewart can be 4th and 5th OF's on this (at least) 26-man roster in the beginning of the season. With Nunez getting DFA'd, Stewart will likely get the majority of his at bats at DH. Stewart is a tick below average tracking balls and needs to continue working on his routes, but the arm was average-ish from RF. He might be a decent DH if he can get comfortable and stop pressing, but he is not a middle of the order guy for me. Stewart is a LH bat, and we do not have many at the moment and that helps him for now. If Stewart does not produce early, he may be sent down when Diaz is ready. Someone has to go, unless there is an injury. Let me be clear, I am not high on Stewart and I do not think he is long for the organization. He has been passed, or is being passed by the end of 2021, by several more talented players. 

Mancini should not be playing OF much anymore, IMO. There is no need for that with our current OF depth. Let Trey focus on 1B/DH duties.

To me, Mountcastle looked good in the OF for a guy with little experience there. He is one of the most athletic players on the team, which I know surprised many here. The arm keeps him in LF, but I really think he will be about average there now, and eventually an above average LF. He'll back up at 1B when Trey needs a day. 

Mullins really showed he can play this year. I hope he gets on the field 3-4 times a week. He is our best CF. He takes some pressure off Hays when he pushes him to LF, which would help Hays stay healthy. 

I think we'll see one reserve INF to start the year. Mancini, Y. Sanchez, Iglesias, Ruiz and probably Valaika. The flexibility of Sanchez and Valaika would allow that. If Iglesias gets dinged up again, then it would make sense to keep two reserve INF's. Urias showed me a lot when he was up, though I could see him getting more work in AAA with Richie Martin in 2021. 

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7 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

I can agree with that, to a point. There are factors that could likely keep both in Baltimore for a while. Mullins and Stewart can be 4th and 5th OF's on this (at least) 26-man roster in the beginning of the season. With Nunez getting DFA'd, Stewart will likely get the majority of his at bats at DH. Stewart is a tick below average tracking balls and needs to continue working on his routes, but the arm was average-ish from RF. He might be a decent DH if he can get comfortable and stop pressing, but he is not a middle of the order guy for me. Stewart is a LH bat, and we do not have many at the moment and that helps him for now. If Stewart does not produce early, he may be sent down when Diaz is ready. Someone has to go, unless there is an injury. Let me be clear, I am not high on Stewart and I do not think he is long for the organization. He has been passed, or is being passed by the end of 2021, by several more talented players. 

Mancini should not be playing OF much anymore, IMO. There is no need for that with our current OF depth. Let Trey focus on 1B/DH duties.

To me, Mountcastle looked good in the OF for a guy with little experience there. He is one of the most athletic players on the team, which I know surprised many here. The arm keeps him in LF, but I really think he will be about average there now, and eventually an above average LF. He'll back up at 1B when Trey needs a day. 

Mullins really showed he can play this year. I hope he gets on the field 3-4 times a week. He is our best CF. He takes some pressure off Hays when he pushes him to LF, which would help Hays stay healthy. 

I think we'll see one reserve INF to start the year. Mancini, Y. Sanchez, Iglesias, Ruiz and probably Valaika. The flexibility of Sanchez and Valaika would allow that. If Iglesias gets dinged up again, then it would make sense to keep two reserve INF's. Urias showed me a lot when he was up, though I could see him getting more work in AAA with Richie Martin in 2021. 

Very cogent points, however I don’t think Ruiz is going to survive till Spring. I think we’re going to deal with third base either through the rule five, or the waiver wire. Ruiz is bad and not going to get better.

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41 minutes ago, Philip said:

Very cogent points, however I don’t think Ruiz is going to survive till Spring. I think we’re going to deal with third base either through the rule five, or the waiver wire. Ruiz is bad and not going to get better.

Ruiz is on thin ice, absolutely. I was going to write that if Ruiz is sent down, because he has an option, then Valaika could man 3B. That would open a spot for Urias. But again, Ruiz might get another chance, in part, because he is a LH bat and has shown that he is capable of handling the job at times. He also is pre-arbitration. 

Alternatively, if you go back and watch video of 2019, Ruiz had a better swing. He had a gap to gap approach and stayed more so in the middle of the field. In 2020, he put on muscle and sold out for power. His bat got slow and the swing long. I will disagree that he cannot improve, for two reasons. One, he has shown he is capable and he is an athlete. Two, its the coach in me that sees that and refuses to believe he cannot get back to it. The problem rests between his ears and his lack of confidence. 

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4 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

Ruiz is on thin ice, absolutely. I was going to write that if Ruiz is sent down, because he has an option, then Valaika could man 3B. That would open a spot for Urias. But again, Ruiz might get another chance, in part, because he is a LH bat and has shown that he is capable of handling the job at times. He also is pre-arbitration. 

Alternatively, if you go back and watch video of 2019, Ruiz had a better swing. He had a gap to gap approach and stayed more so in the middle of the field. In 2020, he put on muscle and sold out for power. His bat got slow and the swing long. I will disagree that he cannot improve, for two reasons. One, he has shown he is capable and he is an athlete. Two, its the coach in me that sees that and refuses to believe he cannot get back to it. The problem rests between his ears and his lack of confidence.  

As a teacher, you have a probably have a sense of what can and can’t get better in a player. To to my eyes his defense is just bad and won’t improve, And even if he hits his best, it wouldn’t really compensate for his defense, because even his best bat isn't that great.

And he’s not part of the future anyway, so put Sanchez either at third or second, give Bannon a long look at whichever position he plays best, and scour the waiver wires for somebody who might be better.

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The unknowns of how many players will be on the roster and whether Elias can sign Alberto and Sanchez to what he considers reasonable contracts changes the roster and its depth.   If there is a 26 man roster I see Stewart and Diaz beginning the seasoning Norfolk.

I think Mullins is a platoon CF playing vs right-handed pitching.  Hays moving from LF to CF vs left-handed pitching.   Santander in right.  Mountcastle in LF vs left-handers.   

Mountcastle at 1B vs right-handers,  Mancini at 1B vs lefties.   Mancini  at DH vs right-hander to put less stress on him.   The opening at DH is for a right-handed hitter that hits lefties.  That may be Urias but that is up in the air.

When Diaz arrives he changes that.  As will injuries and non performance.

Until we know if Alberto and Sanchez are kept I don't think we know the infield configuration.  However, after looking at Sanchez highlights at 2B its hard not to see him playing there and teaming with Iglesias in the middle of the infield.  Its a huge upgrade and with the hitters on this team I think the O's have the bats to carry a weak hitting Sanchez.   Alberto vs lefties and Valaika vs righties platooning at 3B with Ruiz optioned to AAA.  

I think Sanchez has the ability to backup Iglesias at SS and Valaika, Alberto and Urias all have the abilities to backup 2B.

The bench would be  Sisco/Severino, Alberto/Valaika, Urias/Mullins, and Davis.

That would be 13 position players and 13 pitchers.

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13 hours ago, Brooks The Great said:

Even so, 2021 is the perfect opportunity for the Orioles to find out if Diaz can hit and if Hays can stay healthy. Nunez isn't a long-term piece for the O's if they ever intend to contend.

I don’t care about Nunez! If Diaz can’t hit at AAA it’s a pretty safe to say he won’t hit in the bigs.

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13 hours ago, NCRaven said:

“Stupid move” was not exactly an in depth analysis either.  Elias makes a good point, Nunez is not a good fit on this roster.  That’s true even if Davis weren’t on it.  He’s got one tool 

Elias makes a good point IF people are healthy and producing.

Otherwise, Elias is making an assumption.

We are assuming Mancini will be fine.  He may be fine now and he may be working out but working out and playing are 2 different things and that assumes the cancer doesn’t come back. We are assuming Santander, Hays and Diaz will be healthy and producing.  Neither of them have proven they can do that.

Davis is nothing, we all know that.

I don’t really see any red flags about Mountcastle, so I’m good making assumptions about him.

Otherwise, I don’t see a good reason to cut bait on a 800ish OPS, 30 homer bat making a few million dollars.  It’s not logical right now.  
 

Like I said, you can give him arbitration contract and if things look great in ST, you cut him and pay him out the 20% he would be owed.  

Elias is hiding behind the idea that this is an issue of roster flexibility. He’s lying.  This is money and nothing else.  The roster flexibility stuff may be true to an extent but that can easily be worked around.  They just didn’t want to pay him, which is really dumb.

BTW, this is also why making trades is important.  We may see some kind of a roster issue with some of these young pitchers in the near future.  Yes, that’s also making a lot of assumptions but you don’t want to lose cheap, productive players for nothing.  

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On 11/20/2020 at 9:55 PM, Bahama O's Fan said:

And Davis is still on the roster 

As much as I hate to see Davis on the roster, it makes sense to keep him until the O's find out if the season will be shortened.  It probably will be if fans will not be allowed in the stand for part or all of the season.

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49 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Elias makes a good point IF people are healthy and producing.

Otherwise, Elias is making an assumption.

We are assuming Mancini will be fine.  He may be fine now and he may be working out but working out and playing are 2 different things and that assumes the cancer doesn’t come back. We are assuming Santander, Hays and Diaz will be healthy and producing.  Neither of them have proven they can do that.

Davis is nothing, we all know that.

I don’t really see any red flags about Mountcastle, so I’m good making assumptions about him.

Otherwise, I don’t see a good reason to cut bait on a 800ish OPS, 30 homer bat making a few million dollars.  It’s not logical right now.  
 

Like I said, you can give him arbitration contract and if things look great in ST, you cut him and pay him out the 20% he would be owed.  

Elias is hiding behind the idea that this is an issue of roster flexibility. He’s lying.  This is money and nothing else.  The roster flexibility stuff may be true to an extent but that can easily be worked around.  They just didn’t want to pay him, which is really dumb.

BTW, this is also why making trades is important.  We may see some kind of a roster issue with some of these young pitchers in the near future.  Yes, that’s also making a lot of assumptions but you don’t want to lose cheap, productive players for nothing.  

I don't think Elias is lying.  It is roster flexibility.   And money.   As it should be.   With Mancini/Mountcastle projected as DH/1B  how much would Nunez play?   He becomes a backup DH on a team that is carrying Davis because of a contract that Elias had nothing to do with.      That leaves Hyde with a two man defensive bench if there is a 26 man roster.   That should not happen.   

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It's not how much would Nunez play right now. He doesn't have to play now. As he stated, what if Mancini needs more rehab time? What if Mountcastle breaks his leg in spring training? What if Santander tears a tendon? Keep him for insurance. Maybe he has a monster spring and has trade value. If you make it through with your roster still full then trade or cut him then. Austin Wynns would not have a spot on my 40 man roster over Nunez. 

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13 minutes ago, Bahama O's Fan said:

It's not how much would Nunez play right now. He doesn't have to play now. As he stated, what if Mancini needs more rehab time? What if Mountcastle breaks his leg in spring training? What if Santander tears a tendon? Keep him for insurance. Maybe he has a monster spring and has trade value. If you make it through with your roster still full then trade or cut him then. Austin Wynns would not have a spot on my 40 man roster over Nunez. 

Right now I don't see room for Stewart on the OD roster.  He will be at AAA is my guess.  If Mancini, Mountcastle of Santander get injured, Stewart would play a bigger role.

By the first week in December Elias has to tender contracts to those players that are arbitration eligible or non tender them.   Once tendered the team is on the hook for those contracts unless the player unperformed in ST.   Its Elias job to make sure the money is spend wisely and players are being paid are not DFA'd early in the year so the O's are paying for nothing.   He is doing his job.

I fully expect that Elias tried to trade Nunez before he DFA'd him and will contend to try to trade him for 10 days after he was DFA'd.

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17 minutes ago, VaBird1 said:

Here is a configuration that gets him there: https://www.fangraphs.com/roster-resource/depth-charts/orioles

I think Mullins not making the OD 26 man roster is very, very unlikely.  Hyde loved what he did in center last year.  Mullins was 305/348/448/796 vs right handed pitching last season.  That is a good leadoff hitter vs righties.

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