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18 minutes ago, Philip said:

It’s kind of funny how often you say exactly the same thing, when so many people have presented logical rebuttals. I am at the point where it’s not fun anymore, so I’m going to go back to shopping with my wife, we’ll argue about something else tomorrow, and I look forward to it.

No one is presenting a logical argument that says this is about roster and not money.

You can’t present that argument because it doesn’t exist.  Everyone that is currently going to be in the majors fit into the roster with Nunez here.

The roster argument exists if (and only if) Diaz is up and everyone is healthy and performing.  At that point, I am more than happy with dropping Nunez or trading Santander.  
 

But considering Diaz won’t start in the majors and we have several highly questionable injury riddled players, that situation isn’t likely to present itself for at least 6-8 weeks into the season and the odds are that situation won’t present itself the whole year...or ever.

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3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

Stewart and Mullins are on the team whether Nunez is here or not, so that’s irrelevant to this discussion.

The only new person you introduce is Diaz and it’s highly unlikely Diaz starts the year in Baltimore...and if he does, you cut Nunez in ST, pay him 20% of his salary and move on.

So again, we are back to my point..this is all about money unless you actually want to believe the Orioles are trying to give Stewart 500+ at bats in 2021, which to me would be a foolish assumption to both think that’s what they want and that he will be able to do it.

If you had to pick between Mancini and Nunez, who would you take? I would take Mancini, even with some lingering questions about his health. He is worth the salary he is projected to make. To me, Mancini coming back to a role as a 1B/DH makes Nunez expendable. It is that simple. I am not going to pay Nunez to sit the bench next to Davis and have two holes on the roster. You cannot afford to do that and expect to make progress. 

If they re-signed Nunez and sat him on the bench, you would be bitching all year about the horrible waste of Money by Elias. This is still not going to change your mind, but I had to say it anyway. 

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3 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

If you had to pick between Mancini and Nunez, who would you take? I would take Mancini, even with some lingering questions about his health. He is worth the salary he is projected to make. To me, Mancini coming back to a role as a 1B/DH makes Nunez expendable. It is that simple. I am not going to pay Nunez to sit the bench next to Davis and have two holes on the roster. You cannot afford to do that and expect to make progress. 

If they re-signed Nunez and sat him on the bench, you would be bitching all year about the horrible waste of Money by Elias. This is still not going to change your mind, but I had to say it anyway. 

How much is Mancini going to make?

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Obviously, it's money related but it's also roster related. They believe, and I believe, that they won't lose anything with the extra AB's Stewart and Mullins are likely to get with this move.  Good point by SG for keeping Nunez for depth for now but the better point by Frobby.  At 26 years old Elias apparently feels Nunez is what he is.  A 750-820 OPS go with no defensive value and extremely streaky.  Is it worth 2M to make sure that's all he is?  

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2 hours ago, Frobby said:

Nine pages on this.  I think I’ve read enough.   I hope Nunez latches on elsewhere and has a productive year.  

You say you've read enough of THIS but then you go and start the Chris-Davis-swing-change-can-of-worms thread that will be on its 35th page by the time spring training starts?

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3 hours ago, Jammer7 said:

If you had to pick between Mancini and Nunez, who would you take? I would take Mancini, even with some lingering questions about his health. He is worth the salary he is projected to make. To me, Mancini coming back to a role as a 1B/DH makes Nunez expendable. It is that simple. I am not going to pay Nunez to sit the bench next to Davis and have two holes on the roster. You cannot afford to do that and expect to make progress. 

If they re-signed Nunez and sat him on the bench, you would be bitching all year about the horrible waste of Money by Elias. This is still not going to change your mind, but I had to say it anyway. 

I don’t get the point of this post.

Nunez gets plenty of at bats no matter what you do with Mancini.

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3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

I don’t get the point of this post.

Nunez gets plenty of at bats no matter what you do with Mancini.

No, no he doesn’t. And that is the point. For him to be productive, he needs to be in the lineup regularly with at around 400 at bats. He is not a guy that can sit for a week and grab a bat, get in the box and have good timing. He would be taking those at bats from young players we need to keep developing and Mancini. 

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7 hours ago, Can_of_corn said:

How much is Mancini going to make?

MLB Traderumors projects about $4.8 million. We’ll see what they agree to, but I seriously doubt it will be more than that. If I had to guess, I would think it will be just a bit lower where they settle. Who knows at this point?

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8 hours ago, Jammer7 said:

No, no he doesn’t. And that is the point. For him to be productive, he needs to be in the lineup regularly with at around 400 at bats. He is not a guy that can sit for a week and grab a bat, get in the box and have good timing. He would be taking those at bats from young players we need to keep developing and Mancini. 

I still don’t get what you are saying.

LF- Mountcastle

1st- Mancini

DH- Nunez

 

Everyone gets everyday at bats.

 

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28 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I still don’t get what you are saying.

LF- Mountcastle

1st- Mancini

DH- Nunez

 

Everyone gets everyday at bats.

 

Right, but Stewart and Mullins get fewer AB's with Hays and Santander starting.  Also, all 3 bats you have listed are RH.  I'm not arguing the point that Nunez offers some level of relatively cheap production.  He does.  It's just that what he currently offers doesn't hold a lot of value.   My only concern, voiced by Frobby, is that a player, at 26, and after 2 years, may have another level in him.  The Orioles obvious don't feel that way about Nunez.  If Nunez is what he is, I have no problem giving his AB's to Stewart and Mullins.  If he has no trade value at all, then I can live with releasing him and saving 1.5M, or the difference between him and someone making the minimum. 

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14 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Right, but Stewart and Mullins get fewer AB's with Hays and Santander starting.  Also, all 3 bats you have listed are RH.  I'm not arguing the point that Nunez offers some level of relatively cheap production.  He does.  It's just that what he currently offers doesn't hold a lot of value.   My only concern, voiced by Frobby, is that a player, at 26, and after 2 years, may have another level in him.  The Orioles obvious don't feel that way about Nunez.  If Nunez is what he is, I have no problem giving his AB's to Stewart and Mullins.  If he has no trade value at all, then I can live with releasing him and saving 1.5M, or the difference between him and someone making the minimum. 

I have zero desire to see Mullins get any amount of significant playing time and I have serious doubts the Os do either.  He has a spot on the team as your 4th/5th OFer type guy but he shouldn’t be anything more than that.

Stewart I can see but, the team is telling us they will platoon him at best and his injury history isn’t exactly on his side.

Not to mention, he does have an option remaining, so he could be in AAA. 
 

Stewart brings a better walk rate but not sure what he can provide in the field (which isn’t much at all) makes up for anything else.  Not like Nunez is way older or super expensive.

If Nunez was making 5+ million, it would be different.  But we are talking 2ish million here.  It’s nothing and his roster spot blocks nothing to begin the year.

Again, this is 100% money driven...not roster management driven.

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1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

I have zero desire to see Mullins get any amount of significant playing time and I have serious doubts the Os do either.  He has a spot on the team as your 4th/5th OFer type guy but he shouldn’t be anything more than that.

Stewart I can see but, the team is telling us they will platoon him at best and his injury history isn’t exactly on his side.

Not to mention, he does have an option remaining, so he could be in AAA. 
 

Stewart brings a better walk rate but not sure what he can provide in the field (which isn’t much at all) makes up for anything else.  Not like Nunez is way older or super expensive.

If Nunez was making 5+ million, it would be different.  But we are talking 2ish million here.  It’s nothing and his roster spot blocks nothing to begin the year.

Again, this is 100% money driven...not roster management driven.

It's not 100% money driven and how can we be arguing bout Stewart's lack of defensive value when we are comparing him to Nunez?     If Nunez was a better player they would keep him and pay the 2M.   How else do you explain them resigning Iglesias for 3.5M?    They see value there.    They have simply determined they can get similar value to Nunez for 1M or more less.    Yes, it is very much money related but certainly not 100%.   Overall Stewart and Nunez, based on Stewart's limited career, look to provide similar offensive value.   Stewart has the added bonus of being left handed and making a lot less money.   Nunez's platoon splits against LHP are ordinary for a RH hitter so a 2M platoon player doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Orioles.    If Stewart is indeed platooned (his career OPS of .683 in 60 AB's and minor league splits (which another poster alluded to) don't make this a sure thing either.

Point #2.  Is there a team in baseball who will give us a warm body for Nunez got his production and relatively inexpensive salary?    What, if anything, we can get for Nunez will somewhat prove that this is not 100% money related.   If it was, another team would jump to get him, wouldn't they?

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11 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

It's not 100% money driven and how can we be arguing bout Stewart's lack of defensive value when we are comparing him to Nunez?     If Nunez was a better player they would keep him and pay the 2M.   How else do you explain them resigning Iglesias for 3.5M?    They see value there.    They have simply determined they can get similar value to Nunez for 1M or more less.    Yes, it is very much money related but certainly not 100%.   Overall Stewart and Nunez, based on Stewart's limited career, look to provide similar offensive value.   Stewart has the added bonus of being left handed and making a lot less money.   Nunez's platoon splits against LHP are ordinary for a RH hitter so a 2M platoon player doesn't make a whole lot of sense for the Orioles.    If Stewart is indeed platooned (his career OPS of .683 in 60 AB's and minor league splits (which another poster alluded to) don't make this a sure thing either.

Point #2.  Is there a team in baseball who will give us a warm body for Nunez got his production and relatively inexpensive salary?    What, if anything, we can get for Nunez will somewhat prove that this is not 100% money related.   If it was, another team would jump to get him, wouldn't they?

Stewart makes A LOT less money?  It will be like 1-1.5M.  That’s nothing in baseball money.  
 

And again, your argument is making assumptions of health and production.  The health argument is an awful assumption to make and the production assumption is borderline as well.

Iglesias provides you good defense and a decent bat at a position where that’s not easy to find.  3.5M, again, is no money.  No even worth mentioning that in the context you are.

The “another team would jump on him” argument is a bad one because he is basically limited to the DH and right now, we don’t know if the DH will be allowed in the NL.  So, the options are very limited.  The Orioles, however, do have space for him and their payroll is 100ishM less than it could be.  Other teams don’t have as much payroll flexibility.

Again, my hope would be that Nunez is struggling to see at bats by June.  There are other options I prefer.  But none of them are guarantees for several different reasons and having Nunez around, for no money, at his production was worthwhile.  The team is just being cheap.  To me, it’s that simple.  

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