Chris Shaw claimed from Giants

[Philip]

31 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

Have you seen him play, or maybe watched video of Shaw? I am about 30 minutes into it, and there is a lot to like and some to not. The major league stats, no. But the 6-04 225-230 pound athletic frame and 70 power that he has shown throughout his minor league time, yes. Looks like the hands work well. His load can be late, sometimes gets the foot down late, and he gets long at times. He sometimes has a leg kick, sometimes not. Maybe get him to simplify the lower half and take some of the hand load out to simplify his timing. He looks like a pull hitter, at least in the Fangraphs spray chart in his MLB time. He moves well for a big guy, but a 40-45 runner. Arm looks like about a 50. I can see why they took him. 

He has an option, whereas Nunez did not. LH power bats are not a common thing. 

If they like him, they may not waive him for a while, despite the nearly 50% k rate in 82 MLB at bats. Someone else will grab him. I just watched him hit a 468 foot home run , albeit in Colorado, but it was a bomb. 

https://www.mlb.com/player/chris-shaw-622046?stats=career-r-hitting-minors&year=2020

https://www.fangraphs.com/players/chris-shaw/17738/stats?position=OF

Considering he only hit 153, you must’ve watched an awful lot of at bats before you got to that home run.

 

edit: Let me say again then I’m not complaining about the move, I just don’t see it as being necessary. Any waiver pick up is essentially risk free, so there’s no reason not to do it, I just didn’t know why we had interest in a power guy who hasn’t been able to hit in the majors, although it is a small sample size. Power is useless if you can’t hit the ball.1

Edited November 26, 2020 by Philip

[Jammer7]

11 minutes ago, Philip said:

Considering he only hit 153, you must’ve watched an awful lot of at bats before you got to that home run.

 

edit: Let me say again then I’m not complaining about the move, I just don’t see it as being necessary. Any waiver pick up is essentially risk free, so there’s no reason not to do it, I just didn’t know why we had interest in a power guy who hasn’t been able to hit in the majors, although it is a small sample size. Power is useless if you can’t hit the ball.1

A good swing is not defined by the results. Also, remember that SF Giants are not know to produce good young hitters through draft and development. If you are the Orioles, you have to believe in your coaches and development staff when compared with other teams. With this much in his tank, you have to take a shot on a big power guy like this. 

I watched some Spring Training at bats as well. He hit 4-5 HR's in the last few years. One video had him on the same field as Hanser Alberto in February 2019, lol.

[Philip]

7 minutes ago, Jammer7 said:

A good swing is not defined by the results. Also, remember that SF Giants are not know to produce good young hitters through draft and development. If you are the Orioles, you have to believe in your coaches and development staff when compared with other teams. With this much in his tank, you have to take a shot on a big power guy like this. 

I watched some Spring Training at bats as well. He hit 4-5 HR's in the last few years. One video had him on the same field as Hanser Alberto in February 2019, lol.

Well I guess. I trust mike. But regarding swings, it’s possible to have a fine swing and still not be able to hit anything.  I didn’t check his K rate( oh I just see your comment about his K rate... um, that’s not good) or his contact rate, but I would hope they are both good.

Edited November 26, 2020 by Philip

[Jammer7]

26 minutes ago, Philip said:

Well I guess. I trust mike. But regarding swings, it’s possible to have a fine swing and still not be able to hit anything.  I didn’t check his K rate( oh I just see your comment about his K rate... um, that’s not good) or his contact rate, but I would hope they are both good.

I was talking about a singular swing, one, when referring to the video I was watching. And you are correct, but then you have to try to find out why that is? Maybe contact lenses helps, or eye exercises, or what have you. 

His K rate in the minors is just under 28%, so yeah, that's bad. And yet he still has a career minor league OPS of .861. Being that he played in the PCL probably skews that a bit, but the power is legit. We'll see what Elias does with him. 

 

[wildcard]

1 hour ago, Philip said:

I’m not upset, I was just wondering why. Someone else made the comment that the Likely intent was to slip him through waivers and have him be first base at Norfolk, which is reasonable. But no, we’ve got a lot of first baseman types already and we don’t need another one, even if he’s left-handed. And yes, in his cup of coffee he was lousy, and it was only a cup of coffee, but remember the jump between triple A And the majors is the biggest jump of them all, and it is to be expected that most players don’t make the jump. So the onus is on him to prove that he can.

Nevin  is the 1B at Norfolk.   This guy looks like a DH or a bad defensive LF.  

[ScGO's]

2 hours ago, wildcard said:

Nevin  is the 1B at Norfolk.   This guy looks like a DH or a bad defensive LF.  

Nevin may get reps at 3B, LF, and DH.  Shaw fits in well as a 1B, LF, DH option too

[scOtt]

4 hours ago, OrioleDog said:

It's a poor man's Brandon Belt fantasy come to life!

I do confess the tiniest shred of interest in what left-handed sluggers first weeks outside AT&T as their home field look like, but he and Renato trading spots are just another mid-rebuild expression of what the churn of replacement level players looks like in real life.

Barry Bonds did ok...

 

 

[wildcard]

6 hours ago, ScGO's said:

Nevin may get reps at 3B, LF, and DH.  Shaw fits in well as a 1B, LF, DH option too

Nevin is a prospect at 23 years old.  1B is his best position.  He will probably stays on the 40 man roster all year.

Shaw is an organizational player at 27.  His best position is Bat thus DH.  He is likely to be DFA'd to get him off the 40 man  roster and to Norfolk.

[BohKnowsBmore]

14 hours ago, Philip said:

I find it strange that our first off-season pick up duplicates what we already have in wretched abundance.

Most of that abundance is/was RHB. a lefty replacement for Nuñez is a bit better balance. 

[sportsfan8703]

I don’t see Shaw staying on the 40 man all offseason. Once FA really kicks in, teams will face roster crunches and he will be more likely to clear waivers. Heck, he just cleared the whole NL. 
 

He is AAA depth. A dart throw. I don’t think this relates to Nunez at all. 

[Philip]

So, does Shaw get a place in our top-30, or do we know yet?

[Frobby]

13 minutes ago, Philip said:

So, does Shaw get a place in our top-30, or do we know yet?

Looking on Fangraphs, Shaw was not on their list of 37 prospects they rated.    So, I’d guess he would not crack our top 30.    

[Tony-OH]

So if I understand this correctly, the Orioles DFA'd a guy who hits 30 homers a year for a guy who is six months older and has never hit in the major leagues?  One scout told me he's Chris Davis-light. Big time raw power, long swing, slow (15.4 percentile spring speed in 2019) and has shown to be a below average defensive 1B and corner outfielder.

The only thing in his favor is he hits left-handed, has an option and cheap. 

I can't figure this one out. 

[Frobby]

45 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

So if I understand this correctly, the Orioles DFA'd a guy who hits 30 homers a year for a guy who is six months older and has never hit in the major leagues?  One scout told me he's Chris Davis-light. Big time raw power, long swing, slow (15.4 percentile spring speed in 2019) and has shown to be a below average defensive 1B and corner outfielder.

The only thing in his favor is he hits left-handed, has an option and cheap. 

I can't figure this one out. 

I suspect the option is important.   Maybe he’s AAA depth rather than someone who will be on the 25 man roster.    Still, I don’t really see it either.  

[Number5]

3 hours ago, Tony-OH said:

So if I understand this correctly, the Orioles DFA'd a guy who hits 30 homers a year for a guy who is six months older and has never hit in the major leagues?  One scout told me he's Chris Davis-light. Big time raw power, long swing, slow (15.4 percentile spring speed in 2019) and has shown to be a below average defensive 1B and corner outfielder.

The only thing in his favor is he hits left-handed, has an option and cheap. 

I can't figure this one out. 

I don't think the decision to let Nunez go is related to this flyer at all.  This is merely a low-cost, no-risk flyer IMO.  Nunez was gone before Elias even knew Shaw would be placed on waivers by the Giants, so there is no reason to think the plan was to release Nunez and replace him in the lineup with Shaw.  As you said, Shaw is left-handed, has an option, and is cheap.  I don't think it is any more complicated than that.   There's a good chance IMO that, as other moves are made, Shaw ends up DFA and we try to pass him thru waivers and outright him to Norfolk.