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7 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

LOL

1) NO ... There are guys here that mentioned bringing AR and Diaz up asap rather than watching guys like Alberto, Jace Peterson, Martin etc! None of our position guys other than AR has put up numbers at AA or AAA that merit a job in the majors to this point.

2) I mentioned I started AR at A+ ball and Diaz at AA.... I don't care what they do at that level. Superior performance means a promotion to the next level.  I would give them no less than 150-200 ABs before moving them along. Anyone can get hot for a week or two and we want to be sure that the skill level is there and not just a hot streak.

 

 

Who mentioned bringing up Diaz and AR ASAP?  Link that for me please.

And where was it brought up in this thread?

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3 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

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1) NO ... There are guys here that mentioned bringing AR and Diaz up asap rather than watching guys like Alberto, Jace Peterson, Martin etc! None of our position guys other than AR has put up numbers at AA or AAA that merit a job in the majors to this point.

2) I mentioned I started AR at A+ ball and Diaz at AA.... I don't care what they do at that level. Superior performance means a promotion to the next level.  I would give them no less than 150-200 ABs before moving them along. Anyone can get hot for a week or two and we want to be sure that the skill level is there and not just a hot streak.

 

 

Under your strict guidelines, would you have promoted Trey Mancini to the majors in 2017 after he posted a .775 OPS at Norfolk?

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In general, I am not opposed to manipulating time when the team is rebuilding.  If a team sucks and a player is ready or an opportunity exists...bring em up.  If he is good you should probably trade him for more talent anyway.  If the team is on the verge of competing for playoffs, and you have a guy who may help you get there, then you do it.  Doesn't have to be a Manny, but if he can make a difference, play him.

Where we are right now, I am a little more patient.  The O's should be building talent and trying to determine who is a long term piece.  Yes, finding out what you have is still just as important but in this situation, we should also be trying to manage a group that is controllable.  

To me the difference should be more subtle than it is.  Certainly the O's have been accused of manipulating for money not development.  I am fine with what happened with Mountcastle...who was obviously ready.  Someone like say, Diaz, is close but maybe not so obvious.

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12 minutes ago, weams said:

Disagree, poor quality players. Not development. 

How do you advocate for a promotion of a player that hasn't earned it! I don't care if he was drafted 1st or in the 15th round  or a IFA.

From the time Mussina was drafted to Manny Machado we busted in the 1st round so many times its not funny even when they didn't bust they mostly considerably unperformed their expectation (Bundy, Wieters etc)!

People back then would have the same exact argument that you are making here! Remember all of the TOR talk over and over .... The posse , reinforcements, the stable..... Whatever they were called here... Wieters was an expected phenom here and in a lot of places! Its fair to say he came well short of those expectations. So saying we should make room on a team that is going to lose a 100 games to start the clock for guys who are not knocking down the door is just bonkers!

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11 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

Who mentioned bringing up Diaz and AR ASAP?  Link that for me please.

And where was it brought up in this thread?

I'm not doing it for you! If you look you will find! There were people here calling for Diaz this summer around the time Santander went down.

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25 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Under your strict guidelines, would you have promoted Trey Mancini to the majors in 2017 after he posted a .775 OPS at Norfolk?

How is this comparable? This was Mancini's service time for 2017 ....... 0.015 ,  What is that 1.5%

 

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Year Age Tm Salary SrvTm Sources Notes/Other Sources
Career to date (may be incomplete) $6,418,000  
2017 25 Baltimore Orioles $536,000 0.015 contracts  
2018 26 Baltimore Orioles $556,500 1.015    
2019 27 Baltimore Orioles $575,500 2.015 contract  
2020 28 Baltimore Orioles $4,750,000 3.015 contract  
2021 Status 2nd-Year Arb Eligible, Earliest Arb Eligible: 2020, Earliest Free Agent: 2023

Also Trey had 611 at bats between AA and AAA in 2016 ..... Rutcshman and DIaz havent seen AAA. AR is only 22..... Diaz is 25 in October 2021 and hit .260 in his time at AA. AR hasn't played above Aberdeen. Why rush either to the majors in 2021 when you want to lose 100 games?

 

Its wasted service time

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1 hour ago, Frobby said:

When we judge he is more worthy of playing time than someone else on the 25-man roster, they can bring him up and send someone else down.    Could be he replaces Stewart or Mullins, for example.    Or, like I said, maybe someone gets hurt and he’s the best available option.  No reason to force things one way or the other.    

I look at it more as a planned promotion for Diaz.  With someone being put on the opening day roster knowing they will likely be sent down when Diaz is ready.  Maybe either Stewart or Urias.

I think Hyde may put a rotation into effect with Hays, Mullins, Santander, Mancini and Mountcastle getting days off every 5 games.  Diaz playing LF/RF/DH.  Maddon did something similar when Hyde was with the Cubs.   It will not work exactly like that.  Mullins may sit vs lefties.

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28 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

Under your strict guidelines, would you have promoted Trey Mancini to the majors in 2017 after he posted a .775 OPS at Norfolk?

I do think we need to recognize that .775 OPS at Norfolk in 2016 was a lot different than .775 at Norfolk in 2019.

But, I agree with the point you are making.    Every player needs to be judged on the facts and circumstances, not some bright line statistical test.  

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5 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

How is this comparable? This was Mancini's service time for 2017 ....... 0.015 ,  What is that 1.5%

 

Also Trey had 611 at bats between AA and AAA in 2016 ..... Rutcshman and DIaz havent seen AAA. AR is only 22..... Diaz is 25 in October 2021 and hit .260 in his time at AA. AR hasn't played above Aberdeen. Why rush either to the majors in 2021 when you want to lose 100 games?

 

Its wasted service time

You said Diaz should return to AA because he hasn't earned a promotion to the next level.  Would you have promoted Mancini to the majors based on a .775 OPS in his one full AAA season?

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11 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

How is this comparable? This was Mancini's service time for 2017 ....... 0.015 ,  What is that 1.5%

Its 15 service time days.   It was...some time...before I had the A-Ha moment they weren't decimals, though before it did hit me weird the decimals never seemed to get past .170.

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20 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

How is this comparable? This was Mancini's service time for 2017 ....... 0.015 ,  What is that 1.5%

 

Also Trey had 611 at bats between AA and AAA in 2016 ..... Rutcshman and DIaz havent seen AAA. AR is only 22..... Diaz is 25 in October 2021 and hit .260 in his time at AA. AR hasn't played above Aberdeen. Why rush either to the majors in 2021 when you want to lose 100 games?

 

Its wasted service time

I’m trying to figure out your argument here And I’m having trouble with it because you seem to be bouncing around from idea to idea, even within the same post.

If Diaz and Rutschman perform well at the high levels of the minors and are healthy, would you still keep them down in 2021?  If so, when would you actually bring them up? 

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18 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

How is this comparable? This was Mancini's service time for 2017 ....... 0.015 ,  What is that 1.5%

You are looking at 2016, not 2017. Trey had a brief call up in September 2016.   He spent all of 2017 in the majors.    

This whole argument is kind of a waste of time.    Let’s see how Diaz does at Norfolk.   Let’s see how our other players are doing, both in Baltimore and Norfolk.   I can envision scenarios where Diaz is in Baltimore by May, and others where he’s in Norfolk all year.   
 

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Am I the only one who thinks Diaz won't amount to anything?

Not really a reach for me as I've conditioned myself to think none of our prospects will amount to anything.  But still.

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Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Am I the only one who thinks Diaz won't amount to anything?

Not really a reach for me as I've conditioned myself to think none of our prospects will amount to anything.  But still.

He won’t if he can’t get and stay healthy.

I think he’s a solid regular if he can be healthy though.  
 

But I think we have several guys that fall into that category.

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2 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

He won’t if he can’t get and stay healthy.

I think he’s a solid regular if he can be healthy though.  
 

But I think we have several guys that fall into that category.

Don't get me wrong, I want to see him.  But I agree, we have a few guys that fall into that category.

Davis needs to be dealt with, IMO.  That would free up some more flexibility that could allow Diaz some time in 2021 in Baltimore.  You get Mancini/Mountcastle at 1st base/DH, frees up an outfield spot.  

 

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