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Just now, Moose Milligan said:

Don't get me wrong, I want to see him.  But I agree, we have a few guys that fall into that category.

Davis needs to be dealt with, IMO.  That would free up some more flexibility that could allow Diaz some time in 2021 in Baltimore.  You get Mancini/Mountcastle at 1st base/DH, frees up an outfield spot.  

 

I think if Davis is here or not, it doesn’t matter.

I hope that once we know when the season starts and if money will be saved, that they are cutting him at that point.

I tend to doubt it though because our ownership just isn’t that smart.

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2 hours ago, Frobby said:

When we judge he is more worthy of playing time than someone else on the 25-man roster, they can bring him up and send someone else down.    Could be he replaces Stewart or Mullins, for example.    Or, like I said, maybe someone gets hurt and he’s the best available option.  No reason to force things one way or the other.    

I think this is the real key. The Orioles need to find playing time for Stewart and Mullins to see what they have in them. If Mancini is able to go next year, that pushes Mountcastle back to LF with Hays in CF and Santander in RF. That leaves Stewart DHing and Mullins as the 4th outfielder. Diaz should start the year in AAA and if playing time arises through injury or poor performance, as long as he's playing ok, he should be the next up for a shot. 

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Roll Tide, I think that maybe you are discounting what the Orioles saw in players in 2020 at Bowie.  If the Orioles saw real growth and progress there, I don't think they are going to place players at their 2019 levels as if 2020 never happened.  From what I read, it seems that the Orioles were very encouraged by what went on at Bowie in 2020 for a lot of players there.

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13 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Am I the only one who thinks Diaz won't amount to anything?

Not really a reach for me as I've conditioned myself to think none of our prospects will amount to anything.  But still.

He's a bit of unknown for me still, but I do think he has a much better chance of ending up a 4th outfielder or lower Division starter rather than an impact bat or even an everyday outfielder. I don't see him as a guy you make playing time for but rather a guy who forces his way up due to his production. There is some talent there, but he's never been able to tap into his raw power enough and his defense in RF is adequate, not anything spectacular though he does have a sold avg right fielder arm. 

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6 minutes ago, Sports Guy said:

I think if Davis is here or not, it doesn’t matter.

I hope that once we know when the season starts and if money will be saved, that they are cutting him at that point.

I tend to doubt it though because our ownership just isn’t that smart.

I'd like to see ownership as being better since they hired Elias, adopted analytics and have allowed him to work in the international markets.  It seems like Elias has been able to hire the people that he's wanted to hire, too.

The Davis thing is the only thing that holds me back from feeling that they've turned a corner and are headed in the right direction.  At the very least, it's perplexing. 

 

1 minute ago, Tony-OH said:

I think this is the real key. The Orioles need to find playing time for Stewart and Mullins to see what they have in them. If Mancini is able to go next year, that pushes Mountcastle back to LF with Hays in CF and Santander in RF. That leaves Stewart DHing and Mullins as the 4th outfielder. Diaz should start the year in AAA and if playing time arises through injury or poor performance, as long as he's playing ok, he should be the next up for a shot. 

I think we know what Mullins is, he's like Corey Patterson.  Fast, decent defender, can drop a bunt and you have to account for him on the bases once he's on.  

@Sports Guy, but this is what I'm talking about.  As surprising as Mountcastle was in LF, I want him at 1st base with Mancini DHing.  I want LF open for Diaz, Hays in CF and Santander in right.  I'm really not concerned about Stewart, either but whatever.  Davis holds all of this up and it's terrible.

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19 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

Am I the only one who thinks Diaz won't amount to anything?

Not really a reach for me as I've conditioned myself to think none of our prospects will amount to anything.  But still.

Yes, you are that guy.😁

You deserves a good shot.   Enough playing time to determine how good or bad he is.

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Just now, wildcard said:

Yes, you are that guy.😁

You deserves a good shot.   Enough playing time to determine how good or bad he is.

Thank you, wildcard.  Yes, I do believe I deserve a good shot but for some reason the Orioles haven't called me yet.  I'm flummoxed as to why they don't want a 39 year old who hasn't pitched since high school but I feel I can do menial tasks like keeping the bat rack in order and the clubhouse tidy, too.

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10 minutes ago, Tony-OH said:

I think this is the real key. The Orioles need to find playing time for Stewart and Mullins to see what they have in them. If Mancini is able to go next year, that pushes Mountcastle back to LF with Hays in CF and Santander in RF. That leaves Stewart DHing and Mullins as the 4th outfielder. Diaz should start the year in AAA and if playing time arises through injury or poor performance, as long as he's playing ok, he should be the next up for a shot. 

I don't see Stewart like that.   I think he is not has good an outfielder as the others.  And not as good a hitter at DH as Mancini and Mountcastle.   Therefore I think Stewart is on the shuttle waiting for an injury.    If Mancini has a good 1st half he may be traded mid season which will give Stewart a chance to show what he can do.

Stewart may see some at bats before Diaz is promoted.  But if he does he probably is the guy to go to Norfolk.

I think Hyde likes Mullins in center at least against right-hander pitching.

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17 hours ago, owknows said:

I'm gonna guess it's because Stallings is old enough to shave

 

15 hours ago, Roll Tide said:

Well he’s 19 from the Dominican Republic so info will be limited. What he has done is pitched about 12 innings in DSL rookie ball. He gave up 12 hits , 3 walks , and struck out 19. His era was 2.25.... they used him as a starter where he pitched 4 innings per start. His GB rate is 55% .

If he's 19 and not shaving, I am convinced he will never be a productive major leaguer.  Haha

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I don’t see why Mullins deserves significant at bats.  Maybe if guys are hurt or underperforming but the plan going into 2021 shouldn’t be that he gets real playing time.

By the AS break, I am hoping that this is what we see an OF if Diaz, Hays and Santander and an IF/DH situation that has Adley, Mountcastle and Mancini playing everyday. 
 

Combine that with more guys up for the Pitching staff and things really start to get exciting imo.

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3 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I don't see Stewart like that.   I think he is not has good an outfielder as the others.  And not as good a hitter at DH as Mancini and Mountcastle.   Therefore I think Stewart is on the shuttle waiting for an injury.    If Mancini has a good 1st half he may be traded mid season which will give Stewart a chance to show what he can do.

Stewart may see some at bats before Diaz is promoted.  But if he does he probably is the guy to go to Norfolk.

I think Hyde likes Mullins in center at least against right-hander pitching.

The one thing that keeps me from writing Stewart off is the separation between his batting average and on base percentage.  I don't want to see him in the outfield, he turns flyballs into adventures.  That said, I agree he's on the outside looking in.  The only thing that keeps him in the picture is the OBP for a lineup that lacks it.

I'm fine with Mullins in CF as a 4th outfielder until Hays suffers his inevitable injury.

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3 minutes ago, Moose Milligan said:

The one thing that keeps me from writing Stewart off is the separation between his batting average and on base percentage.  I don't want to see him in the outfield, he turns flyballs into adventures.  That said, I agree he's on the outside looking in.  The only thing that keeps him in the picture is the OBP for a lineup that lacks it.

I'm fine with Mullins in CF as a 4th outfielder until Hays suffers his inevitable injury.

Stewart should easily get 300-400 at bats this year..again, assuming he is healthy.

Of course, he likely won’t be..just as several other guys likely won’t be either.

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49 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

You said Diaz should return to AA because he hasn't earned a promotion to the next level.  Would you have promoted Mancini to the majors based on a .775 OPS in his one full AAA season?

Diaz did not play a competitive game in 2020! The two situations are not comparable! if Mancini had missed the prior season I'd want him to start him at AAA.

 

39 minutes ago, Frobby said:

You are looking at 2016, not 2017. Trey had a brief call up in September 2016.   He spent all of 2017 in the majors.    

This whole argument is kind of a waste of time.    Let’s see how Diaz does at Norfolk.   Let’s see how our other players are doing, both in Baltimore and Norfolk.   I can envision scenarios where Diaz is in Baltimore by May, and others where he’s in Norfolk all year.   
 

I posted the graph above from Baseball reference.

Also the other difference was the Orioles were trying to contend in 2017. Elias has either traded, DFAd, or Nontendered 3 of his best players and is clearly raising the white flag. I see no reason to start a clock that doesnt need to be. So its really not a waste of time. If they start him at AAA so be it.

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7 minutes ago, Roll Tide said:

Diaz did not play a competitive game in 2020! The two situations are not comparable! if Mancini had missed the prior season I'd want him to start him at AAA.

 

I posted the graph above from Baseball reference.

Also the other difference was the Orioles were trying to contend in 2017. Elias has either traded, DFAd, or Nontendered 3 of his best players and is clearly raising the white flag. I see no reason to start a clock that doesnt need to be. So its really not a waste of time. If they start him at AAA so be it.

You are missing the point of RZs question.

You stated that Diaz should have at least an 850 OPs before he is brought up.  Mancini had a far lower OPS than that and was also on a bad team. 
 

So, do you think it was a bad move to bring up Mancini when they did?  It’s a simple question based on the backdrop you have provided with your personal reasoning on when someone should be brought up.

Based on what you have said, the answer should be a resounding no?

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27 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I don't see Stewart like that.   I think he is not has good an outfielder as the others.  And not as good a hitter at DH as Mancini and Mountcastle.   Therefore I think Stewart is on the shuttle waiting for an injury.    If Mancini has a good 1st half he may be traded mid season which will give Stewart a chance to show what he can do.

Stewart may see some at bats before Diaz is promoted.  But if he does he probably is the guy to go to Norfolk.

I think Hyde likes Mullins in center at least against right-hander pitching.

Only Santander and Mountcastle had a better wOBA than Stewart so I think Elias will want to see how much value he can get out of Stewart before cutting him lose so I think 2021 is the year we see a lot of Stewart at DH and occasional outfield. Saying that, Stewart did almost all of his damage over a nine game span so it's still up for grabs whether he can be effective at the major league level over an extended period of time.

Saying that, I could see Diaz taking his spot if he struggles for a decent period of time to start the year, but I don't see Diaz winning a spot on opening day over Stewart, mainly because I think Elias would like to see Diaz put some numbers up at AAA while developing a better plan of attack against pitchers.

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