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Just now, RZNJ said:

Betting against prospects is a winning play.   Too soon for me to make the same judgement on a 24 year old and did some nice things at Norfolk.

Well my feeling is that Someone else will be better. I don’t doubt that he has a good chance to start the season with the big club, even if he doesn’t show meaningful improvement between now and the end of the season, unless Mike goes out and gets a free agent second baseman, and I doubt that will be a priority for him.

And defense is defense, unlike hitting, a batted ball is the same in AAA as it is in the show..

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Just now, Philip said:

Well my feeling is that Someone else will be better. I don’t doubt that he has a good chance to start the season with the big club, even if he doesn’t show meaningful improvement between now and the end of the season, unless Mike goes out and gets a free agent second baseman, and I doubt that will be a priority for him.

And defense is defense, unlike hitting, a batted ball is the same in AAA as it is in the show..

And we have definitive evidence that he's well below average defensively with no possiblity of getting better?

Meaningful improvemnt?   That happens from time to time with 24 year olds, doesn't it?

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2 minutes ago, RZNJ said:

And we have definitive evidence that he's well below average defensively with no possiblity of getting better?

Meaningful improvemnt?   That happens from time to time with 24 year olds, doesn't it?

you and I are not in disagreement. I’ve pretty clearly said that he has every chance of breaking camp next spring with the big club, whether or not he improves meaningfully between now and the end of the season. Defense is one of those things that is basically the same between the minors and majors. If you can’t throw you can’t throw for instance. But I expect he will have next summer to show what he can do. I don’t think he has a future piece, But I never said that he couldn’t be, and we will find out.

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23 hours ago, Frobby said:

  Last night, Vlad Jr. hit a ball to the left side of 2B.   To me it was clearly Mateo’s ball, but Jones cut him off and tried to throw while heading completely the wrong direction, and the beefy Guerrero beat the throw pretty easily.  




 

I know the play you're referencing, and to me it's emblematic of what happens when the guy next to you is different every night. These guys never have a chance to learn the nuances/tendencies of the guy playing next to them. Who's your best overall 2B? Who's the best overall SS? Who's the best overall 3B? Can Urias be one of these guys? Jones? Just set an infield and let's see what happens.

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9 minutes ago, Gentile4 said:

I know the play you're referencing, and to me it's emblematic of what happens when the guy next to you is different every night. These guys never have a chance to learn the nuances/tendencies of the guy playing next to them. Who's your best overall 2B? Who's the best overall SS? Who's the best overall 3B? Can Urias be one of these guys? Jones? Just set an infield and let's see what happens.

I agree that the lack of continuity has been a big issue.  

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On 9/2/2021 at 1:17 PM, RZNJ said:

That was just idle chit chat on a message board.   We don't really know.

Elias actually made reference to Jones’ need to stay in Norfolk to work on his defense despite his hot hitting in or around early June, I believe. It was during a zoom press conference and Elias was asked about Jones and why he was not called up. So, the many reporters got that idea directly from Elias. And as we have seen, there are some very athletic glimpses of brilliance, but some clear signs that he is still learning the position. The hitting will come. He just has to get comfortable, and have some success to build his confidence that he belongs. 

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3 hours ago, NelsonCruuuuuz said:

Oh my god, another error on Jones! I am sure I am missing something because Elias is always smarter than everyone else. 

I think he’s playing because we don’t have anybody better, And because they are giving him a chance to see what he can do.

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8 minutes ago, Philip said:

I think he’s playing because we don’t have anybody better, And because they are giving him a chance to see what he can do.

Jones is probably a utility player at best, but I’m fine with giving him time to find himself.

Not comparing the two, but Cal Ripken started out his career ice cold at the plate. 

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2 hours ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Jones is probably a utility player at best, but I’m fine with giving him time to find himself.

Not comparing the two, but Cal Ripken started out his career ice cold at the plate. 

Yeah, I’m happy giving him some time. We gave Chance Sisco about a years worth of ABs, Jones should get plenty as well, although his defense isn’t good enough or versatile enough for a utility guy.

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9 minutes ago, Philip said:

Yeah, I’m happy giving him some time. We gave Chance Sisco about a years worth of ABs, Jones should get plenty as well, although his defense isn’t good enough or versatile enough for a utility guy.

I can understand why Elias was reluctant to call Jones up with his defense even when he was hitting the cover off the ball earlier in the season. 

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He looks Richie Martin levels of useless to me... but this is how you find out.  If there's any chance these types of player might succeed, you give them an opportunity in seasons like this.

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