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3 hours ago, Philip said:

Like in the fable, “who bells the cat?” You’re assuming that anybody would give up a meaningful prospect In order to unload a contract, I don’t think people are doing that anymore, certainly not for someone who is himself damaged goods, until he proves otherwise.

so sure”if it can be agreed upon.”

But that takes two, and remember the people on the other side of the table know exactly what they’re looking at.

It’s not like he has some injury that is threatening any part of next season.

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3 hours ago, Sports Guy said:

It’s not like he has some injury that is threatening any part of next season.

I didn’t suggest he did. I am in the group that suggests that last off-season affected his performance this year, that he was tired because his cancer treatment interfered with his whole life, not just his baseball workouts.

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21 minutes ago, Philip said:

I didn’t suggest he did. I am in the group that suggests that last off-season affected his performance this year, that he was tired because his cancer treatment interfered with his whole life, not just his baseball workouts.

We were talking about Santander.  You said he’s damaged good right now.

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1 hour ago, Sports Guy said:

We were talking about Santander.  You said he’s damaged good right now.

Oh yes he is damaged goods right now, and now is not a good time to trade him. Any team with brains, which is most of them, would acquire him based upon his injury history more than his healthy performance, and his value just won’t be what it would be after two or three months of healthy performance.

We have to assume that when healthy he’s going to play his best, So the most logical thing to do is to tender him, and keep him to start the season, let him build up some value and trade him next July, or when Stowers  is ready. Or maybe not at all.

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On 10/13/2021 at 12:39 AM, Philip said:

We’ve had a lot of discussion about Jones, but I still think he should go, and Stewart too. Fry goes. We can lose most of your fringe guys, but keep Smith and Diplan. I don’t think Scott is a contributor at all… too inconsistent. But he’s not going anywhere. Keep Ciuffo or Wynns, whoever is the better defender and damn the offense. That’s 5-7 guys opening up spots.

None of our fringe guys have the slightest bit of trade value. Who in Gods name wants Stewart, especially when it means putting him on their 40? 

Yep. I’d lose Stewart & Jones. 

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Just now, waynebug said:

Austin Wynns was outrighted Friday Oct 22 at 2pm.

Interesting, does this increase the chances that Severino gets tendered a contract for 2022? I'm inclined to think it doesn't and the Orioles might just bring in a veteran catcher to be AR's backup. 

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48 minutes ago, OsFanSinceThe80s said:

Interesting, does this increase the chances that Severino gets tendered a contract for 2022? I'm inclined to think it doesn't and the Orioles might just bring in a veteran catcher to be AR's backup. 

I don’t think Severino gets a contract, even if he hits well for a catcher, because Everything else is so bad.

Wynns Was one of the guys I expected to get the ax, but I fully expect Severino to get chopped as well. I am a little curious as to why they didn’t just go ahead and clean house now.

I don’t know how many guys have to be added ahead of the rule five, but I think there 12 to 14 guys who can realistically be removed, and I don’t know why they’re not just doing it now.

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Updating an older post of mine, for the pre-Rule V 40 man roster, here's what I've got (in pencil):

Removed from 40 man (15) - Pedro Severino, Pat Valaika, Rylan Bannon, Tyler Nevin, Austin Wynns, Nick Ciuffo, Eric Hanhold, Thomas Eshelman, Travis Lakins Sr., Konner Wade, Fernando Abad, Matt Harvey, Spencer Watkins, Conner Greene, Zack Burdi (players in bold already removed from 40 man)

Fielders (14) - Trey Mancini, Jorge Mateo, Ramon Urias, Kelvin Gutierrez, Austin Hays, Cedric Mullins, Anthony Santander, Ryan Mountcastle, Ryan McKenna, DJ Stewart, Terrin Vavra, Robert Neustrom, Jahmai Jones, Yusniel Diaz

Pitchers (16) - John Means, Chris Ellis, Kyle Bradish, Bruce Zimmerman, DL Hall, Keegan Akin, Dean Kremer, Zac Lowther, Alex Wells, Tyler Wells, Cole Sulser, Tanner Scott, Hunter Harvey, Mike Baumann, Dillon Tate, Jorge Lopez

Fringe (9) - Felix Bautista, Richie Martin, Kevin Smith, Paul Fry, Marcos Diplan, Isaac Mattson, Joey Krehbiel, Brooks Kriske, Blaine Knight

Rule V Exposures (incomplete) - Patrick Dorrian, Nick Vespi, Cody Sedlock, Logan Gillaspie, Ofelky Peralta, Greg Cullen, Adam Hall, Cadyn Grenier, Adam Stauffer, Brett Cumberland, Mason McCoy, Lamar Sparks, Gray Fenter, Brenan Hanifee, Ignacio Feliz, Conner Loeprich, Cameron Bishop, Diogenes Almengo, Ryan Conroy, Tim Naughton

Deadline to set roster for Rule V - November 19th

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24 minutes ago, sportsfan8703 said:

We could clear off Ciuffo and another 5-7 pitchers that would go unclaimed. 

I don't think it matters if they go unclaimed or not.  The O's have to sign some veteran pitchers to give them some  consistency next year.

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11 minutes ago, wildcard said:

I don't think it matters if they go unclaimed or not.  The O's have to sign some veteran pitchers to give them some  consistency next year.

I think the pitching was very consistent this year.

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