Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Frobby

Why the Markakis - Pie analogy has holes in it

Recommended Posts

I really don't see the problem. It's win win IMO. If Pie fails to show progress and Reimold continues to hit in AAA, you call him up. If Pie shows progress, you have yourself a talented player.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest rochester
Who havent we low balled from the free agent mark since back in 97?:D You could say Tejada I guess ...But we lucked out that there wasnt much competition for him.

The bullpen purchases of 2007 (40MM+ - Baez/Walker/Bradford) say hi. IMO we had a fair offer for Texeira - because the Yanks can overpay by a ridiculous amount - well....

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I really don't see the problem. It's win win IMO. If Pie fails to show progress and Reimold continues to hit in AAA, you call him up. If Pie shows progress, you have yourself a talented player.

So simple, and so true.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I really don't see the problem. It's win win IMO. If Pie fails to show progress and Reimold continues to hit in AAA, you call him up. If Pie shows progress, you have yourself a talented player.
So simple, and so true.

It still boils down to how much time you give Pie. At some point, you wanrt to find out whether Reimold's game works at the big league level, too, as it affects important decisions for next winter.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
It still boils down to how much time you give Pie. At some point, you wanrt to find out whether Reimold's game works at the big league level, too, as it affects important decisions for next winter.

Of course. I'm saying you give Pie at least until the end of May/mid-June. If he flops, that's still plenty of time to get Reimold up here and see what he's got.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
It still boils down to how much time you give Pie. At some point, you wanrt to find out whether Reimold's game works at the big league level, too, as it affects important decisions for next winter.
I agree, you can't give Pie the entire season if he's still scuffling with a low 600s OPS (or worse).

Sometime in the June/July timeframe is when I make a final analysis on him. If we think he's worth more time at that point, give him more time. If not, and Reimold is doing his thing well at AAA, then it's Nolan's turn and he'll have a great opportunity to show what he can do, make some adjustments, and have a chance to lock down the LF position heading into 2010.

This is a pretty great "problem" to have, actually. We've got two legit prospects who are right in that time frame where they should be getting the type of opportunity Pie is currently getting and Reimold will get next if he falters. One legit proven LF, or at least very good platoon LF, candidate in Scott. And one guy who's history suggests he's just gonna be a 4th OF but he certainly may step up and earn an everyday role in Montanez. If only we were this "screwed" at other positions.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
As far as I can tell..any comparisons on any level at any time of Markakais and Pie are ridiculous. Pie, simply put, has never, and will never prove to be close to the same player Markakis is. Pure and simple. Sorry. So there you have my take on it.

BTW, ID LOVE TO BE WRONG!

That's obvious because you do it so much. :)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Nice job Frobby. By setting up a Pie vs. Markakis debate, we should be good for another 20 or 30 pages. LOL As SG said, the comarison is not between Markakis and Pie as players. It's about being patient with a young talent. The better player comp would be Jones vs. Pie since their skillsets and weaknesses are more similar. Pie will start to hit very soon. IMO, he's been having good AB's. His timing is good and he's not swinging at bad pitches. While he's not scorching the ball he's been making decent contact. His swing looks just fine to me. I really do feel that I will be able to have some fun down the road with some of these threads. I can hardly wait.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Nice job Frobby. By setting up a Pie vs. Markakis debate, we should be good for another 20 or 30 pages. LOL As SG said, the comarison is not between Markakis and Pie as players. It's about being patient with a young talent. The better player comp would be Jones vs. Pie since their skillsets and weaknesses are more similar. Pie will start to hit very soon. IMO, he's been having good AB's. His timing is good and he's not swinging at bad pitches. While he's not scorching the ball he's been making decent contact. His swing looks just fine to me. I really do feel that I will be able to have some fun down the road with some of these threads. I can hardly wait.

Yea, I agree...I don't see a guy at the plate flailing wildly. I don't see a guy swinging at a bunch of terrible pitches.

Projected out over 600 at bats, Pie would have almost 70 walks at his current pace.

He has been patient and has had some extended at bats.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Projected out over 600 at bats, Pie would have almost 70 walks at his current pace.

He would also have 178 strikeouts, shattering the Orioles single-season mark.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Yea, I agree...I don't see a guy at the plate flailing wildly. I don't see a guy swinging at a bunch of terrible pitches.

Projected out over 600 at bats, Pie would have almost 70 walks at his current pace.

He has been patient and has had some extended at bats.

Sure ...But he might well have over 200 K's

by TONY SOPRANO

He would also have 178 strikeouts, shattering the Orioles single-season mark.

Beat me to it..... LOL

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
He would also have 178 strikeouts, shattering the Orioles single-season mark.

Which is held by what terrible player?

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
He would also have 178 strikeouts, shattering the Orioles single-season mark.

So what?

If he has a 700+ OPS and shows improvement both in the field and at the plate as the season goes on, then I could care less about his K's.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
So what?

If he has a 700+ OPS and shows improvement both in the field and at the plate as the season goes on, then I could care less about his K's.

I'd care more about 178 strikeouts than 70 walks.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah I dont agree with the notion that a K is no worse than any other out made.

While some k's can prevent double plays and other situations, situationally it can derail innings and not be production.

Overall, I just do not think k's are the same as any other out. I think they hurt you more.

Thus, I think strikeout totals is something to be watched not only with Pie, but with every player in general.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Paste as plain text instead

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.

Sign in to follow this  

Orioles Information


Orioles News and Information

Daily Organizational Boxscores
News

Tony's Takes

Orioles Roster Resource

Orioles Prospect Information

2018 End of Season Top 30 Prospects List

Prospect Scouting Reports

Statistics

2019 Orioles Stats

2019 Orioles Minor League Stats

Baseball Savant Stats






  • Posts

    • Did you see Bauer did a tomahawk chop when he left the game? Such an edgelord.
    • Reds imploding in 9th of another 1-0 game; Ozuna beat Day 2 Raisel to make it 3-0 (and ruin the drama of would Braves really use Melancon, 15th on the team in K-BB%, in a 1-run game); now Suarez has dropped a pop up to let Albies get on with a second chance. While I'm generally always rooting for a deciding game, Nick and O'Day are enough for me to be content to get to see them chase that One Shining Moment another week. Will the Reds opening offer to FA Bauer include a stake in franchise ownership?
    • o   (SEPTEMBER 30th)   Yankees Rally in 9th Inning, Beat Indians to Sweep AL Wild-Card Series: Rival Rays are Up Next (By Kristie Ackert) https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/yankees/ny-yankees-indians-sweep-20201001-2adsfpymsve2tjfcxumkkpi7vi-story.html   o
    • Yea, no matter how the rest turn out, barring of course some kid's whose name I don't know turning into an all-star catcher, AR bombing will still be a big blow. Even if we end up with a playoff team, losing out on an MVP candidate at catcher is still going to hurt.
    • o   GAME THREE )))))) (First Round)   CHICAGO WHITE S OX Timothy Devon Anderson, Jr. - SS Yasmani Grandal - C Jose Dariel "J.D." Abreu Correa - 1B Eloy Arturo Jimenez Solano - DH  Yoan Manuel Moncada Olivera - 3B Luis Robert - CF Nomar Shamir Mazara Jiminian - RF Adam Engel - LF   Nicklaus Madrigal - 2B Dane Anthony Dunning - RHP )) (2-0, 3.97 ERA)   OAKLAND A THLETICS Thomas La Stella - 2B Marcus Semien - SS Jacob Ryan "J.R." Lamb - 3B Mark Canha - RF Matthew Olson - 1B Khristopher Davis - DH Robert Grossman - LF Ramon Laureano - CF Sean Murphy - C Michael Bruce Fiers - RHP )) (6-3, 4.58 ERA)   https://www.mlb.com/starting-lineups   o
    • These threads are about the strengths of the organization as a whole at the various positions, not the current strength of the major league team.   I agree grades should not be “completely” based on players in the minors, especially ones who haven’t played an official game above low A.    But the guy was considered to be the easiest 1:1 choice since Harper.    That’s not nothing.  
  • Popular Contributors

×
×
  • Create New...