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  2. Correct. He and clement had cup of coffees.
  3. To state the obvious, some drafts are better than others, both regarding the amount of talent available and the choices made by the teams. To illustrate, I had a brief look at the top 30 picks in every draft from 2000-2014. I stopped after 2014 because many of the players picked in 2015 or later are still in the minors or have only played 1-2 years in the majors, so the data on those years is woefully incomplete. Even in this synopsis, the data on years from 2010 on are still very much in progress. But, I think you can determine which drafts were strong and which were weak, in terms of available talent and the wisdom of the choices. 2000 Players over 10 WAR: 4 Players over 0.0 WAR: 6 Players who made the majors: 16 Top 5: Utley 64.4 (15), A. Gonzalez 43.6 (1), Wainwright 40.5 (29), Baldelli 10.2 (6), S. Burnett 5.9 (19) 2001 Players over 10 WAR: 5 Players over 0.0 WAR: 15 Players who made the majors: 19 Top 5: Mauer 55.3 (1), Teixeira 50.6 (5), Prior 16.6 (2), Floyd 15.7 (4), Lowry 10.0 (30) 2002 Players over 10 WAR: 11 Players over 0.0 WAR: 18 Players who made the majors: 24 Top 5: Greinke 71.0 (6), Hamels 59.5 (17), Cain 29.1 (25), Span 28.1 (20), Fielder 23.8 (7) 2003 Players over 10 WAR: 7 Players over 0.0 WAR: 18 Players who made the majors: 22 Top 5: Markakis 34.2 (7), Hill 24.4 (13), Danks 20.2 (9), Billingsley 17.2 (24), Maholm 11.9 (8) 2004 Players over 10 WAR: 6 Players over 0.0 WAR: 22 Players who made the majors: 27 Top 5: Verlander 71.6 (2), Weaver 34.6 (12), Walker 20.0 (11), S. Drew 15.9 (15), Butler 11.9 (14) 2005 Players over 10 WAR: 12 Players over 0.0 WAR: 20 Players who made the majors: 26 Top 5: Braun 46.8 (5), McCutchen 44.8 (11), Tulowitzki 44.5 (7), Zimmerman 38.5 (4), Gordon 35.0 (2) 2006 Players over 10 WAR: 7 Players over 0.0 WAR: 17 Players who made the majors: 23 Top 5: Kershaw 67.9 (7), Scherzer 60.1 (11), Longoria 56.0 (3), Lincecum 19.6 (10), Kennedy 17.6 (21) 2007 Players over 10 WAR: 6 Players over 0.0 WAR: 16 Players who made the majors: 22 Top 5: Price 39.4 (1), Heyward 36.9 (14), Bumbarner 36.8 (10), Porcello 19.8 (27), Wieters 18.2 (5) 2008 Players over 10 WAR: 7 Players over 0.0 WAR: 20 Players who made the majors: 26 Top 5: Posey 41.8 (5), G. Cole 23.8 (28 – not signed), Hosmer 16.7 (3), Lawrie 15.6 (16), J. Castro 12.1 (10) 2009: Players over 10 WAR: 6 Players over 0.0 WAR: 17 Players who made the majors: 22 Top 5: Trout 72.8 (25), Strasburg 33.5 (1), Pollock 19.2 (17), Minor 17.7 (7), Leake 16.9 (8) 2010 Players over 10 WAR: 7 Players over 0.0 WAR: 14 Players who made the majors: 21 Top 5: Sale 45.3 (10), Machado 36.7 (3), Harper 31.8 (1), Yelich 31.8 (23), Grandal 17.2 (12) 2011 Players over 10 WAR: 9 Players over 0.0 WAR: 23 Players who made the majors: 27 Top 5: Rendon 29.1 (6), Lindor 27.6 (8), Springer 25.4 (11), Cole 23.9 (1), S. Gray 18.1 (18) 2012 Players over 10 WAR: 5 Players over 0.0 WAR: 15 Players who made the majors: 21 Top 5: Correa 24.5 (1), C. Seager 15.7 (18), Stroman 14.7 (22), A. Russell 10.7 (11), Gausman 10.0 (4) 2013 Players over 10 WAR: 2 Players over 0.0 WAR: 15 Players who made the majors: 22 Top 5: Bryant 23.9 (2), J. Gray 10.1 (3), T. Anderson 8.7 (17), M. Gonzales 6.2 (19), Renfroe 6.1 (13) 2014 Players over 10 WAR: 5 Players over 0.0 WAR: 15 Players who made the majors: 20 Top 5: Chapman 19.8 (25), Nola 19.4 (7), T. Turner 14.1 (13), Conforto 12.4 (10), Freeland 10.6 (8) The 2002, 2005 and 2011 drafts were pretty amazing, both in terms of the number of players chosen in the top 30 who reached the majors and the ones who were/are pretty good. If I get a chance, I'll add to this post some of the better players who were chosen outside the top 30. Note that only 20 of 75 players chosen in the top 5 in this 15-year period have actually been among the top 5 of the first 30 chosen players: 7 no. 1's, 4 no. 2's, 3 no. 3's, 3 no. 4's and 3 no. 5's. We'll see how the class of 2020 pans out.
  4. Here is a list of the top 5 selections for college bats for the last 17 years. Everyone made it to the majors with 13 having good to great careers. The O’s should draft a college bat either Torkelson or Martin. 2000 none 2001 Teixeira 2002 none 2003 Weeks 2004 none 2005 Gordon, Clement, Zimmerman, Braun 2006. Longoria 2007 Wieters 2008 Alvarez, Posey 2009 Ackley, Sanchez 2010 none 2011 none 2012 Zunino 2013 Bryant 2014 schwarber 2015 Swanson, Bregman 2016 Senzel, Ray 2017 none
  5. My bad, it was Jeff clement. Both he and Sanchez did have a cup of coffee in the bigs.
  6. I do not want any of those widespread issues brought up by you or discussed in this thread. Please, no response.
  7. I’m sure they were blinded by all the shinny new objects that Hall was buying them.
  8. Yesterday
  9. There are widespread issues in the country right now. I don’t think baseball is important. You have curfews in many cities. We have covid quarantines. And you have baseball players and owners arguing over money. Seems better to restart in the spring with a hope things turn around,
  10. When I have declared racism? Find that post. Maybe you have other issues that you need to work out that have nothing to do with me.
  11. I assume the Tigers are taking Tork. To be honest, I'd be disappointed if Martin wasn't our pick.
  12. Tony Sanchez was the catcher taken by the Pirates right? He played in the majors but was a bust.
  13. What do the riots have to do with an agreement to play MLB baseball? Why put that in your post?
  14. Updated with the releases from 5/20.
  15. Misogynistic, huh? I won't ask you to point out the misogyny in my post, because I'm 1000% sure you don't know what that word means. You are totally incapable of holding an adult conversation. Like seriously.. your primary reason for existence here is to virtue signal about whatever random peripheral issue that you find in others posts. You spew nonsense, get dunked on, then Cry racism/misogony/victimhood over and over again and nauseum. Up until this point the only reason you haven't been on my ignore list is that you're wildly out of tune opinions provide me entertainment.
  16. Funny people have been disagreeing me throughout this thread and I didn't down vote them but you down voted a prior post of mine in this thread. Clearly a misogynistic post that I down voted. I see where you stand.
  17. I doubt we see any games. No plan yet. Players and Owners are far apart. Now there are riots across the country. Baseball will take the year off. Good time to check out other sports. Maybe some of you will become Women soccer fans.
  18. The players would sue in a New York minute if there wasn't anything signed.
  19. Actually it is actually a great comparison. They have 9 teams. If women soccer players are willing to take risks playing for much lower salary then men's baseball players shouldn't be complaining about playing for $7.5 million for the year. And the women soccer players are making a lot more than minor league baseball players make. All these excuses for baseball. MLS teams have been working out at team facilities since earlier this month. Everyone seems to have plans in place and making progress but baseball.
  20. So, a hypothetical draft of: 1 (pick #2) Zac Veen OF* 2 (pick #30) Nick Bitsko RHP 3. (pick #39) Dax Fulton LHP Would you be good with this haul in the first two rounds? You would likely have to save some money at #2 to take the next two, assuming they are there. That would be the only way I do not take Austin Martin or Asa Lacy. You would have to not worry about the competitive cycle beginning in less than five years. Bitsko and Fulton were top 15-20 talents overall, Fulton had the TJ surgery but he is the top HS LHP despite that. Personally, I would do this. What say you?
  21. Soft deadline of tomorrow. For July 4 games.
  22. That is a good article from Dan Connolly. In this draft, I really like Lacy a lot and would be just fine with him at #2. Though I would slightly prefer Martin if Tork is gone. Not much wear and tear this year, which is not the norm for college juniors who are Friday night starters. Regarding Veen, I guess maybe DC thinks the O’s will be conservative here and not go HS based on the limited data. I like Veen a lot, from what I have seen and heard. Some of my Scorpions friends tell me he is the real deal with a ton of upside still. But there is a considerable amount of risk there, and none of us want to see the Orioles blow this pick. Not with Martin, Tork, or Lacy there. He could save money for picks 30/39, sure. But he may be giving away a championship caliber player in Tork, Martin or Lacy. Gonzalez is such a wildcard, and he would be a ballsy pick for Elias when he could have taken the other three. Gonzalez might be a legit hitter with more power than most think, but Elias has better be right if he takes him to save money. He would have to be Altuve without the plus speed for this pick to work for me.
  23. Prior was a pitcher. It wasn't a question of whether or not his arm was going to fall off, but of when. His just fell off after a few really good seasons.
  24. Here's a new piece about 5 potential draft choices for the O's, from Dan Connolly of TheAthletic.com. It's behind a paywall ($). Note: Perhaps one other (long shot) prospect Dan could've added is HS OF'er Zac Veen. I will only share this bit on Asa Lacy:
  25. Data 2000 none 2001 Teixeira 2002 none 2003 Weeks 2004 none 2005 Gordon, Clement, Zimmerman, Braun 2006. Longoria 2007 Wieters 2008 Alvarez, Posey 2009 Ackley, Sanchez 2010 none 2011 none 2012 Zunino 2013 Bryant 2014 schwarber 2015 Swanson, Bregman 2016 Senzel, Ray 2017 none
  26. From 2000 - 2016, there have been 17 college bats taken in the first 5 selections. Only 2 of them did not play in the majors, Matt Clement and Tony Sanchez. So 15 out of 17 made it= 88%. Of the 15, 13 have been quality players sands Ackley and Zunino. So with a 13/17 = 76%, the hit rate is far above any other type of selection ( hs- p,h or col- p). With this empirical data, imho the O’s should select either Torkelson or Martin who both have a 60 hit rating.
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