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Hyde gave Mullins the day off to attend to a personal matter, Hyde hoped it would only be 1 day. We have no other information

Truthfully, I don't either but SG said, I don’t understand why people keep saying he “probably won’t accept these offers”. I was just stating the implied reason, Boras has created that myth over the year.

Just the Boras mentality, a superstar rookie won't sign an extension that's team friendly.

I can see those 3 plus Jackson getting 2-3 at Bowie this year. My years away comment was more about high Top 100 ranking above 50. Cowser is there now but HK and Westburg are 50, 51. I expect HK, Westburg, Cowser, and Ortiz to all be on the O's later this year or all of next year. No more Frazier, Santander, OLeary, Vavra spots. The next wave is going to get this years Westburg treatment, and that includes Jackson and Mayo. ME will want to stretch the pipeline as much as possible. The next way will have to dislodge an incumbent in 2025 or later.

I don't pretend to speak for "people" but Boras, is the likely answer to your question. However, I agree with you, $300M is nonsense. He will enter FA as a 30 year old C, we have no way at this point to know what his physical condition will be nor how productive his bat will be re: a position change. He maybe has 6 years left at that point, what are teams going to give today for a 30-year old catcher 4+ years from now? Answer that question, add $45M for his ARB years and that's your offer. Maybe 6/$160, plus a signing bonus $5M you get to 10/$210M and the team assumes all performance risk. Give him an opt out after year 6.

Your obsession with spending 2-3 top 100 prospects to acquire a TOR SP NOW is NOT built on a sound foundation IMHO. Today (after Gunnar& GRod) we have 7 prospects in MLB's Top 100. Jackson is off limits. Of the remaining 6, Ortiz is already here and makes Urias redundant (trade bait). The next injury to Santander or Hays brings Cowser up. Santander will not be extended and gets more expensive, redundant (trade bait). Down to 4, Westburg or Ortiz are your next 2B or SS as a bridge to Jackson (depending on Mateo). You are now down to 3, Kjerstad, Hall, and Norby left over in your plethora of Top 100 prospects. HK is being transitioned to 1B and his bat is DH/1B playable next year. Hall will fail as a SP and move to RP. Norby doesn't really have a plus defensive position. Santander, Urias, Norby, and Hall doesn't bring the kind of TOR you desire, with multi-year control. Jackson and Mayo will NOT be here next year, other than a cup of coffee, ME is trying to stagger these guys to have a longer pipeline. ME will want a decision on HK before rushing Mayo or changing his position, as 3B is Gunnar's. The next bunch: Beavers, Wagner, Fabian, etc. are years away.

I agree, but ERod has the opt out he will surely use. His cost should be along the lines of the QO value in prospects. Maybe Norby, Stowers value. Include Gibson to offset salary some. DET gets better short term and long term. We get a front of rotation guy as a rental we could try to extend.

My expectations for the trade deadline hinge on guessing what ME is thinking. He lost all of us with Frazier so good luck reading his mind. IMO, ME is still evaluating all the pieces, both MLB and MiLB players. What does the real Mateo look like, 2 amazing heaters in less than a season? Does he have a third coming? Can he be a .700-750 OPS guy with GG defense? What to do with Urias as Ortiz has shown the ability to cover his spot? Westburg can cover all 3 IF positions as well. I think ME plans for next year, not this year. I can see him trading some of Urias, Norby, Stowers, Vavra, they are surplus going forward. Westburg. Ortiz, Mateo, and Gunnar are your infield going forward. In the COF, I don't think Santander is in ME's future plans, Hays to RF, Cowser to LF along with Mullins and McKenna. We still need a 1B better than Mounty, hopefully Kjerstad can make that transition, maybe Diaz on the bench. I don't think a big TOR SP is in the cards because ME is risk adverse and JA ain't gonna write that check. The pieces I think are surplus don't get you there. ME already has Irvin and Means in reserve for 2024. Maybe Urias for Trevor Rogers (MIA's DL Hall) or the other surplus parts for an ERod rental. Maybe you take that chance hoping you can extend him, sweeten the pot from 3/$49M to 3/$54M and add a few years at market rate. ERod basically costs Gibson and Frazier going forward if he stays.

Centerfield - Fogarty?? Put me in coach..

We play 13 games against each team now so unless their is a rainout that doesn't get made up, we can't be tied head-to-head because of odd number of games.

Current stats: .318 .400 .621 1.021

OK, first, I'm not C_o_C (did I get that right?) on the Super 2 manipulation bandwagon, my comment was from the perspective of a draft-first guy maximizing player control, I am NOT complaining. ME doesn't know yet what he has in the pipeline and he will be cautious before he moves ay of them. We don't know what financial constraints JA has placed on ME, the failed "lift off" last offseason cab be explained away several ways. I was reacting to Brobinson and Sportsfan 8703 comments about "adequate" pitching and "nobody pushing Frazier". Me is gong to delay as long as possible before he moves any pieces, Sig-bot will dictate who.

OK WC, I do appreciate your O's -colored glasses but this bunch isn't the 1970 O's. Who do you want Baylor to replace, Buford, Blair, or Robinson????? The had marvelous Merv and May/Motton as McKenna wannabes. The only AAA guy kicking the current door is Westburg which would require ME to admit his mistake w/"hewhomustnotbenamed". Not gonna happen. You think Hyde is gonna start Cowser (not on 40-man) over his preferred veteran Santander??? Hyde preferred Frasier and Vavra to Stowers. Hyde manages IMHO by his gut, and inclines to matchups, regardless of stats to the contrary. Lest I be accused of Hyde bashing (in this thread) tht's not my point. Most of the time he lays the percentages but in favor of veteran-osity. No freakin way he is messing with Hays, Mullins, Santander (absent injury, knock on wood) until somebody's wheels come off. Certailly not for Cowser, at this point (off-speed, lefties).

Yes, we do have "decent" SPs, some may improve as the season progresses, some will not. Not too much promising on the horizon unless you believe post-TJ Means or are WC doing Hall-dreaming. The point that "nobody is really pushing him" is due to ME's roster management. You have made multiple references to Super 2 if I remember correctly. IMHO, ME is going to do EVERYTHING he can to maximize control over Cowser, Westburg, Ortiz, and then Kjerstad, Beavers, Wagner, Fabian, etc It is in his DNA.

Sounds like you have me by a few years but I do remember Hanson and Woodling, when Brooks first stuck with the O's, was pissed when Gentile left and believed it was Boog's fault. Ignorance of youth. I also hate TOR more than NYY or BOS. Drug allegations, funny Canadian wood in their bats, guy in the white shirt in CF, the cameras in the hotel room (they were Houston first), Bautista (love Odor), Donaldson vs Manny (roid rage anyone). And lest I forget, CITO STILLSUCKSSSSSSSSS.

This I think is a real thing. Like BOS they just assume they will be good and in it until the end. But there are strong personalities in every clubhouse, those who have a record of success, along with newbies, rookies, new acquisitions, etc. It takes time and a manager with good ears and the ability to process the input, to process the data. Hyde is very good at that, I think the veteran managers not so much. I don't know which of the "other 3" beyond TB will fold and implode, but IMHO, our O's finish 3rd, win the first playoff series, and next yea, go W-T-W to the WS. We ae seeing shades of 1982

OK, I'm not gonna argue with @Roy Firestone (or Frobby), those are obvious first rank choices. Given that we are adding to the current roster, Adley can't be picked, but NOBODY has ever had such a dramatic impact on a team in my lifetime, and I started rooting for Triandos and Gentile. In my roughly 60-plus years (age 73) of O's fandom, other than possibly Frank, NOBODY in the batters box was as feared as prime EDDIE. The glare, the focus, the appearance of wrath about to be uncoiled with his next swing, the silly GWRBI stat that he owned until they stopped it, in the box with the game on the line, I will go to my grave believing that prime Eddie was the man that pitchers of his day feared most.

While this might be the "conventional wisdom" I was around for Frank's arrival and in 1966 he turned a very good team into the best franchise in baseball for about 25 years. The "Oriole Way" was real, and it was copied by teams like Cleveland and St. Louis. Other than Frank, I can't recall ANY OTHER PLAYER that had this dramatic an impact on a MLB roster, period!! You think Gunnar and GRod did this? Frazier? Gibson? The #Orioles are 94-66 (.588) in the 160 games that Rutschman has played in during his MLB career.. The Orioles were a 51-109 (.319) the previous 160 games before his arrival. Has any player ever changed one team's fortunes that quickly?

I remember that clip, and then he got down in his crouch and looked at the ground for a few seconds. I don't know if he was just focusing or taking it all in, but I like to think he was telling himself, "yeah, I got this".

Absolutely agree, I was ONLY talking about high-leverage, 1 inning usage, kinda "break glass in event of emergency".

I still think Buck remembered using Jim Johnson in a tie game with NYY in the playoffs in 2012. JJ, in a non-save situation, coughed up 5 runs. I remember saying to the person sitting next to me, "the game is over because Buck used JJ" in that situation. I really think that experience affected Buck's Britton decision in 2016.

Cano had 19 and 13 pitches the last 2 games vs Bautista 25 and 31, you might be able to get 1 out of Cano.

I think you are confusing Austin with Brady, just saying!

Personally, I vote for the BASH Brothers, they were fun, roids or not.

Absolutely correct but asking this bunch to win a lot more is probably a bridge too far, but there are better parts coming, probably in the second half. I don't think either Bautista or Cano can wrap their heads around what has happened to them in the last year or so. Bautista was in the system under DD and not really progressing, Cano was an older, unproductive RP in MIN. I don't care if ME or the Sig-bot or Holt saw whatever in them at this point. They have demonstrated the ability to find and develop valuable assets out of other's spare parts. The grizzled vets seem really happy to be part of maybe something special. The kids all have each other's back. This feels like 1982 to me where we hang around for the first and get onto overdrive in the second half leading to that WS in 2024 the @Bmorewins so desperately needs.