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So a random injury would cause them to deviate from their original set plans? Doesn’t seem to jibe with how they operate.

My bad. Some wild takes going on in this thread.

Why? He makes a tad over league minimum. Seems like it makes perfect sense. They likely knew that was the plan/date all along. Strange thing is why not just stick with Wong.

Because it’s the last possible day for him to be eligible to accrue full service time next year. If they were trying to game his time they simply call up someone else….or no one at all.

Of course it will be Kemp.

People reading way too much into this. He looked ready in ST. They wanted him to get a few more reps at 2B and swings against LHP while avoiding LHP in first week. Doesn’t have to be anymore than that. Why is that sooooo crazy?

Makes sense. My take is that they prob still think he isn’t quite ready but don’t want to get Adley’d so they kept him down until they absolutely had to bring him up.

4/10

And he got 2 weeks to work on his D and hit lefties. Pretty much a massive nothing burger folks decided to spend hours complaining about on the internet.

That’s just a refrain from a certain segment of salty OH posters.

Had a feeling that would happen for 4/10’s game. Good news.

Agree. His hacks on 0-0 and 1-0 counts are pretty violent. He does not get cheated. His ability to draw a walk after getting down in the count is pretty darn impressive.

I'm not a believer in Curveballs before 13U. It's not so much the valgus stress on elbow (it's shown to be lower), but it does make them switch up their mechanics which isn't a great thing to do IMO at such a young age. For me, at the end of the day you want the kid to throw accurately and be able to repeat mechanics. Throwing as hard as you can (intent) is actually a good thing to teach, but it has to be done in moderation, supervised, and tracked. When you are in game and adrenaline is pumping, you're gonna let it eat. If you don't practice that way, you are setting yourself up for disaster. What I've seen happen at the very young ages, is that there are only a handful of kids at 9U, 10U, and even 11U than can consistently throw strikes. So what happens, is those 3,4,5 kids get saddled with all the innings. When you are talking about teams playing 40-60 games a year those 3-5 kids get stuck with all those innings and the workload is insane. My recommendation would be to find a coach that insists every single kid pitches (in those early years). It might be ugly, but the kids will be better for it developmentally wise and health wise in the long run. You have to punt 8u-12u and focus on development to have a chance at success at a later age. If the priorities are winning trophies before you get to the big field, then you're leading the kids down the wrong path. I highly recommend getting a pulse monitor and having your kid learn arm care training at an early age. If they do it right away it becomes the new norm and will be SOP as they get older. They also need a solid 3-4 months off throwing. For us that's Nov, Dec, Jan 1/2 feb. During that off-time doing shoulder strengthening exercises to maintain is advised. They also need a solid 6 week slow ramp up period before they go to games and go all out. As I noted earlier in the thread, the vast majority of injuries will happen in the first part of the season due to the off time and not following a proper ramp up period. Start them on this track at a young age and make it just the normal process and set good habits for the long run.

It only gets worse. Pick your coaches (and fellow families) wisely. 1 or 2 bad apples can ruin a season/team/experience.

Issue with all of it, is no one has any idea how much they are actually throwing unless it's tracked. And if you do track it, it you have to manage that data and follow programming correctly. And if you are tracking it and managing it correctly, you still have to make sure you are practicing proper arm care exercises to strengthen the muscles around the joints. And you still have to throw with proper mechanics. And if you do all that.....there is still a risk. So, the real question is, is it worth the risk to you? But at the very least, I think young kids need to start tracking every throw they make. Who cares if the kid throws 80-90 pitches in a game if he warmed up correctly with only 20-30 throws after a proper warm up and has not thrown any more that day? I'm more concerned about the kid who plays IF or OF, who took 40-50 throws to warm up pregame. Made 4-5 throws between each inning at full force, made a few max efforts throws in game, went to the bullpen to throw 20 warm up pitches, and then comes into the game and throws 30-40 pitches. Having been tracking throws consistently for over a year now, I can tell you the kids typically are throwing 50-100x more than what they thought they had in any given day.

Unless you're like Honeywell who missed being called up by a week or so before he blew out. Talk about a massive turn in events. 18 month recovery at MLB minimum vs. minimum wage.

He went to ODU because he wasn't a huge draft prospect in HS and wasn't recruited heavily. ODU has a very good program. Historically one of the best baseball programs in VA. They were perennial NCAA tournament participants throughout 90's and early 2000's. Verlander grew significantly in college and started to add velocity. He wasn't a power pitcher throwing gas in HS. I posted the interview I believe you are referring to in a previous post.

In the book "The Arm" they alluded to this...The vast majority of injuries happen early in the season. This year we aren't 100 days in yet (unless that includes Spring Training), but it points to pitchers not prepping their bodies off the field the way that they are going to be used on the field. And not putting in the proper work in the off-season. You can't go 80-90% in practice and then go 110% in games and not expect to get hurt. Especially early in a season when you don' have the proper workload built up. Not saying that is the only reason. Obviously, these guys are pushing their bodies to the limits and that has become the norm.

Suarez is the reason Norfolk has 1 loss.

Maybe you need to start adhering to a pretty strict, uh, drug regimen to, uh, you know, like, keep your mind limber.

I have a sneaking suspicion they knew he was damaged and wouldn’t be able to complete a deal this off-season. Did you mean like 3 years ago? If so, yea - agree. Especially a pitching factory like CLE.

That was a very dark time. I think I’ve mostly blocked out all those memories.

He looked like he had a trailer attached yesterday. I didn’t think that play at home would be close at all. Also, learned something new. OPS+ can go into the negative. Urias is at -48. Yikes. Hope he gets hot soon (likely won’t be in Pitt brrr).

Not even in today’s game, but to get a crack at a pro career, sneak in at the bottom level and slowly work your way up. People will always sacrifice for glory, and when you go down, there is a line around the corner waiting for your spot.

It’s a risk vs. reward proposition. They aren’t risking a long career, they are risking physical injury for the chance to be one of 780 MLB athletes. People will always sacrifice for a shot to play in MLB. And there is an endless amount of talent right behind each injury. What you failed to mention is shoulder injuries have decreased to almost non-existent. I do think if MLB came together with a unified plan they could reduce the amount of TJ. It will never go away completely, but they could reduce significantly if they all got on the samE page. A major factor leading to injuries is that players go all out in games with an adrenaline spike, but don’t practice that way. If you’re only going 80-90% in your bullpens and side work and then ramp it up for games, you’re setting your self up for disaster. Thats another ramification of under work. There is a lot of information out there but most of it is proprietary to various teams and there is no central database in MLB. It becomes a competitive advantage, one team trying to get slightly ahead of others (same reason medical are held as state secrets). But at the end of the day, there are a million factors, all bodies are different, and short of tracking every workout, every throw, every situation of every player throughout MiLB & MLB where injuries arise there will be a continued trend of escalated TJ surgery.