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foxfield last won the day on November 3 2018

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  1. My belief is the Orioles and most other teams have given Bauer whatever consideration he is going to get.
  2. This post says Mateo is both DFA'd and a bench player....
  3. All of the above is fair…sure there IS a way he can be up. That does not mean he would be. Most of the ways he could be will bring a strong chance that you lose a full year of service without the benefit of having him. Not to mention the other potential benefits if he happens to be in the ROY hunt. Which he is currently one of the favorites for… I am not saying he can’t. Of course he could. I am saying if he goes down they are planning on him being down long enough to gain the year and keep his rookie status like Gunnar. Any you better believe that Elias is running through all of this in his risk calculation. There is just an awful lot of risk to send him down to game his service time. And therefore, I think if Elias thinks he is ready he goes north and if he isn’t he goes down and stays late. Injuries or not. At least that would be the plan IMHO.
  4. For the 1100th time. You are correct that at this point if Holliday goes down it will likely be to gain a year. However… After losing the extra year with Rutschman, who came up on May 21…there is no way this move is made in a month or 2. And it certainly will not be a couple of weeks. If Holliday goes down it will likely longer than Adley and likely until the All-Star break or later.
  5. I think I need to change the batteries on my Just Regular decoder....
  6. Must be tough for you. What with Elias getting the Os rebuild done effectively, the team exceeding expectations and the owner in the process of going away.
  7. I am probably splitting hairs, but part of my point was that the Orioles benefit of tanking has not really even produced yet. Regardless of where Gunnar went he was a result of the horrible failure of 2018. Nothing from 2018 season, including the draft in 2019 has anything to do with tanking. I will point out that in 2018, the Orioles started the season with around the 14th or so highest payroll in all of baseball. It was also only about 100 Million off of #1. They sold off assets after the break. Teams do that all the time. In 2023, the Orioles were 27th in baseball with a $64M or so in payroll...nearly $270M behind the Mets. The Organization has benefitted from the tanking so yes, I do agree that the word AND has a place in this discussion. The depth in the Org has given the Orioles a chance to make other moves that have benefited the team in both '22 and '23. I just think too many make the easy leap to what some in the press were calling a 5 year tank job even as the Orioles were defying people in 2022 by actually winning games. It was a surprise then, it was still last year. The tank resulted in favored draft positions in 2020-2022. But even here, the results are not what they seem. In 2020, Covid impacted the draft, reducing it to 5 rounds, and also impacted our top pick Heston Kjerstad. While he has recovered, the Orioles only got 6 picks and still turned them in to Kjerstad, Westburg and Mayo. The success rate has at this point, been nothing short of spectacular. And the waiver pickups and small trades have had an impact even with some swings and misses. The overall point, is that if ever a team had to go through a rebuild, what the Orioles have done is something that isn't explained by tanking. Certainly not in 2022 or even 2023 although if I am fair, Westburg had an impact on 2023 and he was a 2020 draft pick with the 30th pick (Supplemental). What the Orioles are doing and have done so far...if it continues and blooms into a WS title or three, is going to be talked about for a long time. Therefore it is important to keep the story straight, less the story becomes "Orioles tank and build dynasty." The Orioles did tank and it is a part of the story. But the success of that tanking has barely even been felt yet. Even here, in 2022, there were folks talking about the 5 year tank from 2018-2022. (not picking anyone out here) In hindsite, it looks like DD did a better job than we thought on the sell off and left quite a bit to work with after shedding salary. And it seems that Mike Elias has set a new standard for how to build a team in both acquiring and developing talent. (We haven't even begun to talk about International yet) Now, let's get to the place where he general manages all of it into that dynasty.
  8. Gunner cannot be looked at as a benefit of tanking....Every single team in MLB had a chance to draft him and did not. And as SG already pointed out, the Orioles were definitely not "tanking" in 2018. When they did punt, it was prudent and also in character for a cheap team. Coby Mayo was passed not once, not twice, but three times by every team in MLB. (I know he was not involved with the OP list of top 10 players in our '23 season.) Tanking helped the Orioles in their draft position, that is obvious. But their success is clearly superior drafting and excellent resource management by Elias. Even if you account for the multiplier affect of having more higher chances...the quality of picks is what has made the difference. Rutschman, was not the slam dunk choice of everyone. Gunner was passed by everyone as was Westburg and Ortiz. The Orioles clearly tanked in 2019, 2020, 2021. The only player acquired during that time who impacted the 101 wins in 2023 was Bradish who as the OP pointed out was acquired in the Bundy trade. You could argue that either way as Bundy was clearly not going to be here long enough to survive the tank. Moving him was as much for financial reasons and was clearly a move that even non tanking teams make....see Milwaukee Brewers and Corbin Burnes. 5 of the 10 players were acquired by Elias and you can debate what the Orioles development by Elias had to do with Bautista who was already here. Mullins, Hays, Santander and Mountcastle were all here, but clearly given the opportunity to develop during the tank...they were very valuable to the 101 wins, but no one is begging for them on the trade market. IF the Orioles win the WS in 2024 and Holliday is ROY/MVP in any combination, then the tanking is definitely involved. But it is also fair to point out that even Holliday when we picked him was not the consensus #1 pick. Many thought the pick was an example of the O's underslotting to get more talent later. The Orioles did tank. From 2019-2021. That is indisputable. I think a fair analysis of that time period and how it has impacted the Orioles on the field (in '23) would reach the conclusion that the fruit from that period is still yet to be produced.
  9. It wouldn’t be three or four weeks. If you recall, the Orioles brought Adley up on May 21. He finished second in the ROY vote and earned a full year of service. Holliday may not be the ROY but he is certainly in the running. But there should be little doubt that bringing him up in late April would leave him plenty of time to earn that full year. Getting bitten by this once was unlucky for Elias. Getting burned on it again would be a mistake and I don’t think he does that. So the question should go something like this. Is Holliday the best option for the Orioles in ‘24? If so he makes the team. The answer seems obvious but… They could decide they are going to try to game the clock, a send him down. But it won’t be for three or four weeks, it would be until at least June and likely later. And they might go this stall route. I just don’t believe that 3-4 weeks is a viable option if he is sent down because it has a high risk of backfiring. If they want him here in a month he goes north with the team.
  10. If it did, it would be a clear change in Elias strategy.
  11. If he is healthy he is not going back to AAA.
  12. Cowser and or Kjerstad can be up and down as needed. They are not starting without an injury or a trade. Holliday, like Adley and Gunnar is going to play every day once up. And I just do not see any way he is held back in AAA until June/July or later. No way. He is going north to Baltimore this month IMHO.
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