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1 hour ago, Enjoy Terror said:
Yeah, the Orioles have been real talented about turning upper end prospects into "sure things" over the last 25 years.
Would you be surprised to see Hays or Mountcastle play well? I wouldn’t. I would be disappointed if they didn’t play well. Same with a guy like Harvey.
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Hopefully Santander. I don’t think any of the upper end prospects would be a “surprise.” Santander is young enough that another good season from him could be a big boost for the rebuild.
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5 hours ago, eddie83 said:
Tanking to me is perhaps the most overblown topic in baseball. It’s being driven by the players union and the media. Apparently teams like the Orioles would be more competitive signing at best middle and lower level FA’s to contracts. Few talented players make their way into FA anymore with the aging curve of the sport and the top FA’s are being sought after by the good teams.
The thing is if Hanser Alberto signs for $7M last year the Orioles in some people’s minds would get credit for that. Instead they bring him in as a AAAA player and he has a nice season. It’s not about the productivity of the player it’s about how much money he is making.
Whether or not it matters to you, if you look at the attendance numbers there seems to be a pretty direct correlation between falling attendance and falling W/L record.
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11 hours ago, wildcard said:
I wonder what the average age is in Baltimore with Kids Cheer Free. I think its a good concept to build a young fan base across the league.
I think with expansion baseball would reverses the downward trend in overall attendance. I am in favor of that.
I think the New CBA will try to persuade teams not to tank. Its hard to build attendance when the team is telegraphing that they are not built to win now.
Tanking seems to be the big thing. The teams that are winning or even mediocre have respectable plus numbers. Some tanking teams have had huge losses in the fans department most notably Miami who has lost 10k fans per game over a couple year decline.
Further, it isn’t as if there has been some huge drop from attendance glory days. Attendance has been somewhat of a roller coaster throughout the 2000’s and IMO making some slight corrections could stabilize what attendance drops we have seen. -
2 hours ago, linedrive said:
I'd like to think you're right, but what did the Manny Machado trade get us? I know it's still early, but did we get anyone who could be a top of the rotation starter? Kremer? If not, what would it take to get back a #1 starter? How much would we have to give up? I'd like to be optimistic, but It's hard to imagine a scenario where we obtain a starter that could bring us a Championship.
The Machado trade didn’t bring back peak value, to be fair. I would anticipate trades similar to the ones the Astros have made over the last few years, giving up 3-4 guys in their top 30 prospects for top pitching.
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30 minutes ago, wildcard said:
Florida and Az are two the hot spots for the virus. O's players are probably saver in Aberdeen.
That’s actually not such a bad idea. Bowie, Frederick and Aberdeen are all about an hour from each other. It’s nice to have everyone together under normal circumstances but maybe they could just do instructional stuff up here.
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I guess I’m the only person that doesn’t mind the extra inning rule. We could see some walk of suicide squeezes which is always exciting.
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1 minute ago, Can_of_corn said:
Maybe?
He could have benefited from being called up last year and everything sounded like he was going to start the year in the minors this year.
If you are worried about a RH LF/1B type than in my opinion you are overly concerned about it.
I just don’t think it’s much to go off of. Maybe, maybe not. Concerned but not overly concerned.
I’d like to see Kremer, Zimmerman, Aiken, Mountcastle, Bannon, Diaz and McKenna. Interesting group of young guys that all have ML potential and I think could be serviceable right now.
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49 minutes ago, Can_of_corn said:
Going to depend on the service time issue. I don't see them putting the guys you mention on the roster if it means they will start their service clock. Elias seems overly concerned about team control.
I’m not sure we really have any evidence that’s the case. Mountcastle maybe but it was the end of the year when he didn’t come up and it makes sense to not bring him into a losing culture in a lost season.
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1 hour ago, Number5 said:
I guess this is an example of the many divergent opinions we get through the media, all purporting to be factual. I read that an airplane is the single worst place to be, with the possible exception of a hospital. Frankly, that makes a lot more sense to me, on the face of it, than what you've apparently read. Having a large group of people tightly packed in a small space for hours just seems conducive to spreading of contagion to me, but that certainly isn't my field of expertise.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/is-flying-safe-right-now-coronavirus%3famp
This is one of many articles I’ve read that all day basically the same thing: flying is safe as long as you aren’t sitting next to someone with the virus and everyone is wearing a face mask. The risk is greater traveling through the airport. Besides recommending general caution I haven’t seen anything that says it is high risk.
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I understand flying to be relatively safe, given the rate that air is filtered through the cabin. I don’t think it would be a bad idea to implement a mask policy while indoors/on planes for players/staff.
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5 hours ago, Redskins Rick said:
WTOP in Dec was calling for Manfred to be gone and that was before the covid crisis and the 2020 season problems.
Back in 2014, Joe Torre was open to being the commish, and has been in MLB front office for awhile now.
Not sure how good a job he would do, but almost anything should be better than what is in their now. Yes, I know the cliche, change for change sake, doesnt always make things better.
My understanding is that Torre has been taking on less work, I think he’s about 80 now. Wish they would’ve chosen him instead of Manfred in the first place.
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I sure hope both Clark and Manfred are gone by CBA time. No clue what their contract status’s are but they will bring such bad blood into an already difficult process.
Showalter for commissioner anyone?
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1 hour ago, Roll Tide said:
As mentioned the process is broken when it forces a GM to take a player that’s not the BPA
Elias was in no way forced. He seemingly understands, unlike you, that team building isn’t a linear process. Sometimes you take BPA (Rutchman) sometimes you take someone close to BPA and get better guys later.
The NBA especially and the NFL to a degree are star driven leagues. One guy can and frequently does completely change a game. For better or worse that is harder to accomplish in baseball. The system needs a lot of talent and that what Elias did.
Also, comparing money in the MLB draft to NFL/NBA is disingenuous at best.
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And what a terrible position to put fans in. I want to show my displeasure but how can I? I’m desperate to be back in the stadium, should I just boo the whole time? Hopefully other fans are stronger than me and stay away.
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4 hours ago, weams said:
At this point I don’t know who the bad guy is. 70 games (like many of the players proposals) seemed unrealistic at this point. Just take the 60, maybe you don’t end up the alpha but people don’t hate you.
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1 hour ago, BohKnowsBmore said:
Definitely seems like it would be silly to burn a full year of Diaz for an abbreviated season, particularly when he hasn't played an inning in AAA. Maybe a late season call-up, with the plan of starting him in Norfolk next year?
On the other hand, with a guy like Diaz not playing in the Majors you also burn a year of development. I’d rather he and Mountcastle get plenty of burn instead of an extra year 7 years from now.
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38 minutes ago, Philip said:
My point is that losing a quarter is not losing a lot if you’ve got plenty left over.
what the players are paid isn’t relevant at all, UNLESS it makes a trip to the game for me too expensive. Paying the players too much means I have to pay too much for beer hotdog parking, etc.
How much is too much? The price at which I decide to stay home and watch for free on TV.
Stadiums are NOT well attended, regardless of youth or excellence. Baseball attendance, regardless of the stadium, is going down. That’s undeniable. Manfred thinks the solution is to speed up the game. Manfred is very wrong.
Baseball attendance is not going down regardless of the stadium. 2018 saw I believe 7-8 teams with more than 90 losses (our guys included obv). Outside of that those stadiums I mentioned have seen increases or at least consistency in their high numbers. People want to see winners.
Between 2017 and 2018 the marlins saw a decline in 10k(!) fans per game. In Houston between 2015-2017 there was a 10k increase in fans.
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58 minutes ago, Philip said:
If you think of it as a percentage of the total, 25% is a lot, but what remains is 1.5 billion, so, no, I fail to have sympathy.
Although, that is one of the reasons that we are in this situation. Not all billionaires are selfish, but very few of them are truly philanthropic.
I don’t care about the elite baseball players. They have their money and don’t deserve it(I am well aware that somebody is worth whatever they can get and all that, but the fact is they’re not worth it because the game cannot support it) If the billionaires we’re willing to take less, give the minor leaguers a real wage, give the paying public better value, the game would not be in danger right now.
I don’t care if you are sympathetic or not, and I don’t care about the billionaires, but you framed it as who cares if you’re worth 2 billion. Losing a quarter is losing a lot.
If it’s irrelevant what the players are being paid why did you mention it? Every team sees some amount of decline when the team stinks. Did you go to many games between 2012-2016? I think I went to almost 30 games in 2016 and maybe 4 last year.
Many of the most expensive stadiums have excellent attendance, I’m not sure cost is a huge factor there.
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1 hour ago, Philip said:
This is why I despair for Humanity.
We should care for others instead, we only care about ourselves. However, as someone mentioned in the next couple of comments, if the players in the owners don’t start caring about the fans they will lose money. Now, losing $500 million when you’ve got 2 billion in the bank is hardly something To drive you off the nearest cliff, But owners have stat monkeys too. They know where the money is coming from and they know who is no longer spending. Baseball cannot afford $30 million per year for a player. They just can’t I don’t care how good Mike Trout is he’s not worth that much money because paying it will destroy the game. In order for me to go to the ball park you have to make me interested, and you have to make me think that my cost is Is going to be rewarded by my experience. And that’s not happening. It won’t happen until the players are making less, and the owners are making less, and the fans are paying less.
Losing 500 million out of 2billion is a quarter of your wealth.
I don’t know the numbers but all things considered baseball is pretty affordable. At least the most affordable major sport (MLS notwithstanding). Do you actively enjoy the game less because you know how much someone makes? Or is it just what you have to pay?
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13 minutes ago, GuidoSarducci said:
Its not a poor business decision if the owners can't turn a profit
If you own a business and suddenly conditions change where its no longer profitable without your employees taking a temporary paycut, does it make sense to continue operating if they won't? Or does it make sense to suspend operations until economic conditions improve.
Think of how many more people won’t care about baseball if they don’t play for a year because they couldn’t get their act together.
Sports of course aren’t start-ups but IMO there should be somewhat of a startup mindset here. Accept the fact you aren’t going to make as much as you want this year in an attempt to solidify a fan base and maximize profit next year.
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Take the effing deal for chrissake. Get your 5 extra games or whatever and get back down to spring training, please!
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8 hours ago, GuidoSarducci said:
And if the owners decide that playing the season isn't worth it if they aren't getting any stadium revenue?
I’m not sure what your point is but then probably the PA would sue.
Would be a very poor business decision on the part of the owners.
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5 hours ago, osfan83 said:
I dont know......most people root for the uniform and not the player. 10 years from now most of the "major leaguers" will have names most people are now unfamiliar with. I'm much more likely to watch the Baltimore Orioles, with a bunch of young new talent, than watch the Annapolis Seaman featuring Chris Davis, John Means, Austin Hayes, and 23 other guys from around the league.
I think people root for a bit of both. New players are phased into the league, it doesn’t all happen at once. It allows fans to adapt to the guys that now represent their team.
Would you attend games at Camden Yards this summer.
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Hopefully the orioles will do something similar, though as has been mentioned it certainly makes the owners complaints seem disingenuous.