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I think we’ll find that Urias doesn’t need to be on the team as the season goes on. I’m a Urias fan, and he’s certainly an MLB level player, but it’s just inevitable. I’m not a Mateo fan but the situational upside that he offers is still extremely high. Perhaps that’s irrelevant once Bradfield is ready. But Mateo can offer electricity defensively and on the basepaths. Doesn’t mean that he’s consistent. But for the last position player on the roster? He’s worth a spot, especially if he can backup CF as well. The O’s value versatility like that. Perhaps he continues his struggles defensively and he’s no longer an asset. But it’s worth giving him another look.

I don't think Bradish being ranked the 24th best pitcher is being shat on. Actually it's 25th, they numbered the article incorrectly at the time and has since been edited. The way the rankings are broken down, it's clear that when they say number two or number three, that it's meant for playoff caliber teams. Do people really consider Bradish to be a #1? If he is, why was getting a #1 pitcher a priority? And that doesn't take into account that the O's also have Rodriguez. Is WAR not a reasonable metric? They literally based this article on the thoughts of executives, scouts and analysts.

And just giving some vets an opportunity to play a bit out of respect.

Big year for Mullins. Excited to see if he can stay healthy. If he can, I too am expecting a bit of a bounce back year.

I think O'Hearn is definitely on the team. I also think Holliday is on the team. There will be many opportunities to bring up Mayo throughout the year. He's not blocked like the corner outfielders or middle infielders. Something will open up between an injury to Mountcastle or O'Hearn, O'Hearn not performing at a high level or a trade. I'm more interested in the OF situation. I feel like Cowser is in a similar situation as Mayo where there will be an opening at some point during the season when inevitably Mullins gets hurt or Mateo can't cut it as a backup CF (though perhaps he can). I'd like to see Stowers get the opportunity. At some point you gotta do something with him. If he doesn't get off to a hot start, then bring up Kjerstad.

Are there any real signs that he won't be making the roster outside of conventional wisdom? It seems like most of the signs (albeit mostly limited and speculation) point to him starting the year on the O's.

https://theathletic.com/5352336/2024/03/20/2024-mlb-aces-project-starting-pitchers/

If Elias made a reactionary move, why wouldn’t his reaction be to NOT pull the trigger on Burnes? Adding one year of Burnes is adding gasoline to a fire. It’s a move to win-now. Bradish being hurt wouldn’t switch the GM to all-in mode. The reactionary move to Bradish right now would be to get an innings eater and insurance for Bradish in case he’s out for the year. Or you don’t make a reactionary move and continue on with business as usual, which is win-now.

One ratings point is equal to 1% of households with televisions. Baltimore has 1,119,480 TV households. So 4.23 rating should be equivalent to 47,354 household viewership. TV ratings have been continually decreasing for years and years across the board. 47,354 might not seem that high, but there's 162 games in a season and I'm not sure how many games per year the typical fan watches. It also doesn't include out of market viewership as well as streaming.

Not only that, but with Gunnar's somewhat unexpected and meteoric rise and Jackson Holliday knocking on the door, along with Adley's own success, Adley's expectations have increased. Dude's floor for expectation has been set at 5.0 WAR.

Coby Mayo for Andrew Heaney. 1 ER in 3.2 IP this postseason.

2-3 years seems to be the sweet spot. I'm hoping the O's shop in that category this offseason. I don't expect Angelos to open up the checkbook that much, but I would have to hope that those 2-3 year deals are a possibility.

Had no idea this guy works in Baltimore now. I feel sorry for Baltimore that this guy works in Baltimore now.

Teams overpay at the deadline, and I think the O's did well with the return they got for Mancini. I don't know how many teams would be "buying" Hays. It would be more the O's shopping him. Would rebuilding teams give up assets for him and would a contender view Hays' production as a need? I really don't know what the return would be. I'm kind of pessimistic on it but I also think he's the guy the O's should move. I think Mountcastle would bring back a larger return than Hays with his extra year of service and higher ceiling with the bat.

Over/under… Hays or Mountcastle bring back a return similar to what Mancini did

That’s fine, I don’t really disagree there. To me, any loss in value isn’t significant enough to trade him. I do expect Mullins’ performance to bounce back, however.

I’m not sure you do

Mullins has trade value going into the 2024 season. He will have trade value going into the 2025 season. And there's a good chance for a bounce back year or even a random great year like in 2021 that would increase his trade value.

Mullins will have trade value, but he'll also have the same trade value after next season if not even more trade value. O's can't afford to move on from him yet.

The thing with Hays for me is that I think he'd be a great fourth outfielder. But is that a role that he's willing to accept and is that a way the O's would utilize him? This might not be the move that's best for business but out of respect to Hays, I'd rather trade him somewhere he can have a better opportunity. I don't think his approach at the plate is good enough to be a starter on this team, but he clearly has value defensively and off the bench. His overall production would be the easiest to replace. Santander? I don't think the O's can lose his power yet when they don't have any proven replacements. And Mountcastle/O'Hearn I'm good with holding for now until there's a better option at 1B. Mullins I'm not trading in 2024. Hays and Urias/Mateo are the ones who are on the hot seat, in my opinion.

Not trading Mullins. Under contract for two more years. Really good value. Injuries are a concern but he's a much better hitter than his numbers showed this year. A 3.0 WAR kind of guy each year. At minimum, wait a year to trade him. I don't mind getting rid of O'Hearn, Urias or Mateo. I think O'Hearn stays, though. I don't see the point of trading him. How much value does he have? I actually would like to trade Hays the most. I'd like to bring back Hicks for depth. Westburg - He played all three postseason games. I think the O's like him and he stays as a starter at 2B. Ortiz - I think he's gone. If he's just going to be a 4th infielder, then trade him as opposed to Mateo or Urias who have far less trade value. Kjerstad - Need his bat. Needs consistent playing time early next year Mayo - Midseason call up Holliday - Permanent SS whenever he gets the call Cowser - Needs PT early next year at the MLB level Norby - Hold Stowers - Good as gone C - Rutschman 1B - Mountcastle 2B - Westburg 3B - Henderson SS - Holliday LF - Cowser CF - Mullins RF - Santander/Kjerstad DH - Santander/Kjerstad B - McCann B - Hicks B - O'Hearn B - one of Mateo/Urias This is assuming no FA signings. I think you're holding on most of the MLB level players until the prospects are ready. You can trade them midseason if/when the time comes.

Agreed. These Orioles playoff seasons are always so intense. 162 games. It's rare that O's fans have a team like we have had the last two years now, so I'm not willing to take it for granted and I'm going to watch the O's as much as I can. 2012 was the same way for me - it was a grind getting through 162 games, most of which take up your entire evening. Hopefully the O's are just starting a long run of good teams, and I won't feel the need to grind out the entire season so extensively. For that reason, I'm also thankful for the new rule changes that speed up a game. In addition to the O's putting out a team worth watching, I think the rule changes made for better quality as well.

I've been a lurker here for upwards of 20 years. My profile says 2022, but I've been here for a long time. Only recently have I started to post occasionally. I've always appreciated Frobby's posts. Probably the best poster I've ever seen on a forum. Well thought out, hardly argumentative, always productive. I also appreciate Tony's insights. I find them very valuable, and another person who always has productive and well thought out posts.

It depends on what the O's do with their rotation over the offseason. I'm comfortable with Bradish, Gray-Rod, and Means, and Kremer is fine for the back end of the rotation. But if the O's don't make a significant move for the last spot in the rotation, they'll need some fire power and flexibility to round out their rotation. Hall is a guy that they may be able to bounce around as an innings eater. I'd like to keep Wells in the bullpen, but he's probably earned the right to compete for a rotation spot with how he performed in the first half of the season and how good he looked to end the season. But I'd really like to see him be a late innings guy for 2024. I'm just not a fan of his as a starter, and I think he has the ability to be a top top reliever. And with Bautista out, there's an opportunity there.

I actually thought Bradish looked pretty good. 9 Ks in 4.2 innings. Gave up some hits but only walked one. Wells looked good. There's a lot more to build around than just the obvious guys like Gunnar, Adley, Rodriguez, and Holliday. I'd like to see Hicks back in an O's uniform next year. I'm just happy all of the young guys got postseason experience. My biggest concern for the offseason is Angelos not spending. The O's went from Odor and Lyles to Frazier and Gibson. Upgrades, but not massive upgrades, but a step in the right direction. Now they go from Frazier and Gibson to what?