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Not that I am comparing them at all… but the one thing great pitchers have is their tempo.. they push the hitter usually faster than they are comfortable and they stay ahead in counts. Means at his best has wonderful tempo and Maddux was the best ever at that. Mike Cuellar was a master tempo artist as well. -
By Sports Guy · Posted
No, that’s not a problem for me. That’s 100% a problem for you because you are taking an extreme outlier and trying to make it mean something when, in fact, it means nothing. Anything that is an extreme is an example to throw out. Just because something is possible doesn’t mean it’s probable, will be repeated or anything like that. -
By Can_of_corn · Posted
Do you just compare Ty Cobb's HR total with Ronald Acuna? Context matters. The K rate when Palmer pitched was hugely different than the rate in 2023. -
By Sports Guy · Posted
GRod isn’t even remotely a “thrower”. He may have been that in the first part of his season but he is far from that now. -
Yeah, he might pitch 2 no hitters in the big leagues lol
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The problem for you here is that Maddux exists. Doesn’t matter if he’s an outlier. If you think every ball in play is either a hit or an out by random chance, then a career like Maddux isn’t possible. And he’s far from the only good pitcher with a lower (or at least average) K rate. Jimmy Key had a 5.3 K/9 lifetime and wasn’t far off from the HoF. Hell, Jim Palmer had a lifetime K/9 of 5.0. -
Back in the day this type of discussion would be titled-- "pitcher or thrower"-- Of course GROD is more than a thrower, but ,to me , there is a significant difference wrt "pitching skill". Palmer talks about it all the time, particularly when he is critical of a pitcher. Leaving it in the middle of the plate is a mortal sin to him.
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