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Quote from a Keith Law chat today. I am one of the biggest O's doubters, but some of you guys have gone overboard. It could be a "good" pick.

I need these data points before I get upset:

- Who do we actually pick

- What is the difference between the amount of money that Bundy and Hultzen get in relation to Bradley (if we pick him)

- How much overall do we spend in the draft overall

Matt (Annapolis)

Are the O's really going to pull this cheap-skate crap again this year?

Klaw (2:08 PM)

By taking a two-sport guy who'll probably get a $5-6 million deal? That's "cheap-skate crap?" If you're going to make this complaint, don't you at least have to find out what the player wants first?

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Law has him ranked 5th, so at least according to him this would not be a reach. I'm not going to pretend to be an expert here or anything close to it. I would prefer they go with someone who is generally rated higher than Bradley, but of course the money can't be ignored and he's rated highly enough where it is realitic to think that Jordan could simply have him above anyone else available when it's time to pick. As long as they don't go Hobgood on us again, I won't really take a big stance on the pick.

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That's a fine three to choose from. I find it difficult to believe we would select Bradley from that group, but who knows. Seeing JJ pass on Bundy would really be shocking to me.

It is difficult to determine if signability is an issue because of a fixed total budget, because the $ may not justify the perceived talent difference or because our front office did not enjoy the last minute nature/uncertainty of drafting Wieters and Matusz. These kids seems to ask for the moon - and it's their right - pre-draft, but we've seen front offices hold firm on signing bonuses with perceived top bonus demands from guys like Justin Upton, Wieters, Machado, that LHP Colorado signed in 2009, etc. I've never seen a prospect turn down $4M-$6M because they thought they were due $10M and I doubt Bundy/Hultzen will be the the first.

1000% agree here.

We are talking about, maybe, 2 million difference here...Are we really going to turn things down because of that?

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Are you hearing something or is this just your belief?
I am not an insider, but someone who is an insider believes this very strongly.

After transferring from Muskogee High School to Broken Arrow High School before his junior year, Bradley quickly became the starting quarterback on the school's varsity football team and a starting pitcher for the baseball team. After his junior year, Bradley was named to the 2010 Aflac All-American Baseball Classic roster.[1] In 2011, during his senior season, he led the team to a 36-2 record and its first 6A State Championship since 1991. In the championship game against the Rams of Owasso High School, Bradley struck out eleven batters and allowed just two hits over seven innings in a 4-0 win.[2] He finished his senior season with a 12-1 record, allowing just three earned runs in 71 1/3 innings, walking 11 batters and striking out 133.[3]

Prospect status

Bradley is expected to be drafted in the first round of the 2011 draft. He committed to play both, football and baseball, at the University of Oklahoma, but, due to his high draft status, will most likely sign a professional baseball contract.[4] ESPN baseball insider, Keith Law, ranks Bradley as the number ten prospect in the 2011 draft.[5]

Scouting report

Bradley is a 6'4", 225 lb. right-handed pitcher who features a slight 3/4 arm angle with a 2-seam fastball in the 92-95 mph range, a 4-seam fastball occasionally elevating to 98-99 mph, and 82-83 mph 12-6 curveball, and a developing change up.

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If we are going by "demands" cause none of the figures you've seen so far really mean anything, Bradley wants more than Hultzen.

I think they like Bradley over Hultzen. They may still prefer Bundy, but the size and velocity issue is still there for a number 4 choice. If they have decided to go with a big upside prep guy, it is one of those two. Isn't Hultzen really Matusz?

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RVABird said the O's have Bundy at the top of their HS board ahead of Bradley. He said Bradley was the guy they contacted when it looked like Bundy wasn't going to be there.

Maybe signability does come into play, but it sure seems to me that the word RVABird got has gotten around, and that it's not definitive that the O's take Bradley by a long shot.

I predict we end up with Bundy.

Just because their board goes Bundy, Bradley doesn't mean they'll take Bundy over Bradley if he's signed. If Bundy is throwing 30 MM out there and Bradley is asking 6-8, they could easily go with Bradley. That is seemer like a greater and great possibility by the minute.

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I think they like Bradley over Hultzen. They may still prefer Bundy, but the size and velocity issue is still there for a number 4 choice. If they have decided to go with a big upside prep guy, it is one of those two. Isn't Hultzen really Matusz?

You wouldn't want a second Matusz in the rotation?

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I think they like Bradley over Hultzen. They may still prefer Bundy, but the size and velocity issue is still there for a number 4 choice. If they have decided to go with a big upside prep guy, it is one of those two. Isn't Hultzen really Matusz?

I liked Matusz much better out of college. His change is the best pitch between the two of them, Hultzen's fastball isn't much better than Matusz's, and Matusz had more depth in arsenal, slightly better control/command and better pitchability IMO. Higher upside, just as safe.

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