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Reyes is the more flashy player but he has also been a diva in NY throwing tantrums and arguing with his manager. There isnt much difference in the production dept between the two. So give me the lunchpale/team guy every time! Hardy has been really impressive, a good teammate and he should be extended!

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Jose Reyes has been on fire this year, and other than 2009, has been able to stay on the field more than JJ Hardy in the past 5 seasons. However Reyes won't come cheap - likely recieving a contract around 6/90-6/102 or more.

JJ Hardy will cost less to extend, but he's played a maximum of 151 games once and is on pace to only play 90 games this season, so you will likely have a backup IFer getting 50-60 games at SS.

There is some chance of that. But to say it's likely Reyes will be injury free not even two years after he missed nearly an entire season is disingenuous. Last year the Mets needed a backup shortstop for the equivalent of 31 games.

You're also overstating Hardy's fragility - in 2009 he actually played 132 games (between the majors and AAA) and would have played more had he not been the subject of some service time games. If he stays fairly healthy the remainder of this year his last four years will really be something like 146, 133, 101, 120. That's not a guy who misses 60 games a year, it's more like 30.

Hardy has been the better defender with a career 10.8 UZR/150 at the position. Reyes has a career 2.8 mark. However this season Hardy is at 5.2 while Reyes is at 3.8 UZR/150 thus far.
That's the equivalent of saying that Player A has a career OPS of .875, Player B .800, but since A has a .850 this year and B has an .810 through 20 games they're basically even.
Reyes however is a dynamic threat on the basepaths and has a better bat than JJ Hardy. He could be the replacement to Brian Roberts at the leadoff spot.
Potentially, sure.
So given those scenarios, which player would you rather have?
Reyes is the better player, no doubt. But at the price differential I'd have some trepidation signing Reyes. Hardy has played in Baltimore, may be more favorable to signing here. Reyes has only played in New York, and may want a substantial premium to go to a smaller market and a less successful team.

I'm not against Reyes, but can see many scenarios where (Hardy + other pieces) would be a better use of resources.

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You also have the potential of the last 3 years of the Reyes contract being an issue.

As was the case when talking about BRob, as these MIers get into their lower 30s, they start to have issues.

On top of that, how long does the speed of Reyes continue to be an asset and when it is no longer as big an asset, how valuable will he be?

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You also have the potential of the last 3 years of the Reyes contract being an issue.

As was the case when talking about BRob, as these MIers get into their lower 30s, they start to have issues.

On top of that, how long does the speed of Reyes continue to be an asset and when it is no longer as big an asset, how valuable will he be?

On the other hand, fast players tend to age a little bit better than slower players. Not that Hardy or Roberts is slow...

Also, I think there's increased risk to injury and durability switching from short to second. If that's the long-term plan.

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BTW, if we traded Guthrie and Scott and BRob retires, then we have a lot of money off the books and we could sign both of these guys.

Hardy extended to play SS and Reyes to second base and the new leadoff hitter.

Guthrie dealt for Alonso or another ML ready first base/third base prospect(with Reynolds going to first if we get a third baseman).

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Has there even been a hint or a rumor that Roberts was going to retire? He's a nice guy and all, but he's still owed almost $30M.

Apparently, he did consider it last year.

Drungo, its a big reach for me to state that and I admit that.

However, its not really out of the question. Money owed or not, this is a serious injury for him to worry about and if he can't play the game the way he wants, he may hang them up. Again, this is obviously just pure speculation but with more and more info coming out about concussions and the long term effects of them, you have to believe that the idea of retiring is at least on BRob's mind.

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Apparently, he did consider it last year.

Drungo, its a big reach for me to state that and I admit that.

However, its not really out of the question. Money owed or not, this is a serious injury for him to worry about and if he can't play the game the way he wants, he may hang them up. Again, this is obviously just pure speculation but with more and more info coming out about concussions and the long term effects of them, you have to believe that the idea of retiring is at least on BRob's mind.

I think the more accurate description is that he won't play anymore but will still collect his $30M. Its not going away. No way he walks away from that much money.

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I think the more accurate description is that he won't play anymore but will still collect his $30M. Its not going away. No way he walks away from that much money.

Why not? Big Mac walked away.

And it would be 20 million...He will get paid this year.

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