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Is MacPhail Coming Back After the Season, and Do You Want Him To?

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Is MacPhail Coming Back After the Season, and Do You Want Him To?  

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  1. 1. Is MacPhail Coming Back After the Season, and Do You Want Him To?

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ShaneDawg85 Hangout Veteran Council

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You've presented no evidence that Peter Angelos is willing or able to pick a GM better than Andy MacPhail. You're continually asked to, but instead respond to the question "who is potentially a better GM than MacPhail."

Please, stop deflecting and answer the question. Who do you think Angelos will hire and trust and give power to who will be better than MacPhail?

Brian Cashman!:laughlol:

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Sports Guy Hangout Grand Counsel

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You've presented no evidence that Peter Angelos is willing or able to pick a GM better than Andy MacPhail. You're continually asked to, but instead respond to the question "who is potentially a better GM than MacPhail."

Please, stop deflecting and answer the question. Who do you think Angelos will hire and trust and give power to who will be better than MacPhail?

Well, in defense of Trea, no one can answer this question.

The real question is, is PA likely(give his track record) to hire a GM that he will allow to have full power and control? The answer is no.

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Well, in defense of Trea, no one can answer this question.

The real question is, is PA likely(give his track record) to hire a GM that he will allow to have full power and control? The answer is no.

Wasn't Angelos quoted recently that he has no plans to replace AM?

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I guess that since I have no faith in PA hiring someone better than AM, I'd just prefer AM to stay on until PA is gone. I don't think he's really got the chops to fix the franchise, but I don't think he's going to run it into the ground. So I guess I'll just hope he continues to not do worse than other PA options and hope that when PA is done, we get someone capable of righting the ship.

It's pretty clear that a young, outside-the-box thinking GM is out of the question under PA. I guess you can hope he accidentally hires someone better than AM, but I don't see it happening.

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Right. Be careful what you wish for, because MacPhail has had far more freedom and success than anyone else in the last 12 years. It seems highly unlikely that Peter Angelos, now in his mid-80s, would pick a really bright, young, up-and-comer with a truckload of new ideas.

Success in terms of what? wins ? hitting on free-agents ? He has been pathetic in both of those areas. Sure he made 1 very good trade 4 years ago but what else are your measuring him on that makes him successful?

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You've presented no evidence that Peter Angelos is willing or able to pick a GM better than Andy MacPhail. You're continually asked to, but instead respond to the question "who is potentially a better GM than MacPhail."

Please, stop deflecting and answer the question. Who do you think Angelos will hire and trust and give power to who will be better than MacPhail?

John Hart would be better than MacPhail IMO. And I seriously wouldn't rule out Cashman either.

Buck is getting $1.5 million per year to manage the Orioles right now so I wouldn't be shocked to see him pay for Cashman to be GM.

John Hart I think though is more likely to get the job of the two however...

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John Hart would be better than MacPhail IMO. And I seriously wouldn't rule out Cashman either.

Buck is getting $1.5 million per year to manage the Orioles right now so I wouldn't be shocked to see him pay for Cashman to be GM.

John Hart I think though is more likely to get the job of the two however...

Hart is a possibility. He's 63, so he's not too far from Angelos' demographic group and probably doesn't have any radical ideas that would upset the status quo, and he did his best work 15 years ago.

I certainly wouldn't assume he's any better than MacPhail. His stint in Texas produced one winning season, and his most notable transaction seems to be trading away Alex Rodriguez and his contract for Alfonso Soriano. This after openly complaining that ARod's big deal was keeping Texas from competing. He traded Travis Hafer to get Einer Diaz. Signed Chan Ho Park to a big, long deal. His first year in Texas they were 3rd in the AL in payroll, and by the time he left they were 9th.

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Drungo - Success in terms of what? What are you basing that statement on?

How about in terms of building the farm system back up. I mean, it was awful when he took over. It's not an easy and quick process. There are things that I wish he had done more of, but AM is miles better than anyone we've had since Gillick.

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Drungo - Success in terms of what? What are you basing that statement on?

This team is better off, talent wise, today than any time under any other GM. There is zero doubt about that.

But that doesn't mean our future is better...It doesn't mean we are closer to contending. Why? Because the other teams have done the same thing as us but better and smarter and they had a better foundation to startr with.

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Drungo - Success in terms of what? What are you basing that statement on?

Yea, like waroriole said, he's brought back a level of competence and respect to the system, to the organization. People actually say stuff like "the O's are mostly headed in the right direction" instead of laughing at them. They've actually developed multiple young players and graduated them to the majors and had them contribute for the first time in generations. He's made many fine trades. You act like the Bedard deal was the only positive, but he traded Garrett Olson for Pie, he traded the dessicated corpses of Huff and Traschel and others for real, live ballplayers. He traded the soon-to-be-much-older Tejada for several prospects and Luke Scott. He traded Hernandez for Reynolds, which could still work out very well. He traded a fungo bat for JJ Hardy. He signed Koji, twice. He hired Buck.

Yes, the O's still have many weak spots and blind spots and things they do I wish they didn't. But they've moved up from the pure bumbling incompetence of the Flanagan/Beattie/Duquette/Thrift era to at least mid-pack.

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Yea, like waroriole said, he's brought back a level of competence and respect to the system, to the organization. People actually say stuff like "the O's are mostly headed in the right direction" instead of laughing at them. They've actually developed multiple young players and graduated them to the majors and had them contribute for the first time in generations. He's made many fine trades. You act like the Bedard deal was the only positive, but he traded Garrett Olson for Pie, he traded the dessicated corpses of Huff and Traschel and others for real, live ballplayers. He traded the soon-to-be-much-older Tejada for several prospects and Luke Scott. He traded Hernandez for Reynolds, which could still work out very well. He traded a fungo bat for JJ Hardy. He signed Koji, twice. He hired Buck.

Yes, the O's still have many weak spots and blind spots and things they do I wish they didn't. But they've moved up from the pure bumbling incompetence of the Flanagan/Beattie/Duquette/Thrift era to at least mid-pack.

Mid pack in terms of what?

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