Would you make this trade with Cinci?

[Sports Guy]

Cinci gets:

Guthrie

Hardy

Baltimore gets:

Alonso

Travis Wood

Cozart

Boxberger

Tony Butler-esque prospect(someone with upside, far away from majors)

NOTE: For the purposes of this poll, let's ignore the idea if Cinci would or would not do this deal. I am just focusing this poll on the idea of "is this enough for you to trade Hardy and Guthrie"?

[Nick The Stick]

Didn't we have Tony Butler in the Seattle trade before? Haha. Am I wrong? Is that who we traded for Craig Tatum?

[Sports Guy]

Didn't we have Tony Butler in the Seattle trade before? Haha. Am I wrong? Is that who we traded for Craig Tatum?

I said Tony Butler-ESQUE...Just as he was basically the 5th player in the Bedard deal, a player like him being the 5th guy in this deal. Low minors player with some upside but far from an elite prospect.

[xKHx]

I don't know to much about Boxberger what is his ceiling? We talked to death about Alonso and Cozart. I have always been a Wood fan. To you Sportsguy you thought we could get Alonso and Cozart with Guthrie so Hardy adds the other 3? Wood is mid rotation ceiling with back end bullpen stuff, Boxberger whatever he is and a upside B- C prospect.

I voted Yes based on stats but would like to know about Boxberger.

[Sports Guy]

I don't know to much about Boxberger what is his ceiling? We talked to death about Alonso and Cozart. I have always been a Wood fan. To you Sportsguy you thought we could get Alonso and Cozart with Guthrie so Hardy adds the other 3? Wood is mid rotation ceiling with back end bullpen stuff, Boxberger whatever he is and a upside B- C prospect.

Boxberger is a reliever...Nice K and BB numbers this year.

I feel Guthrie and Hardy have close to equal value...2-3 of those guys for each of them, with Wood and Alonso being the headliners..In other words, either Wood or Alonso along with 1-2 of the other guys for either Guthrie or Hardy..So, this just puts it all together.

[flashjordnk]

I'm interested to know why anyone wouldn't take this trade.

We get a young replacement level SS back in this trade. We get a 1b. We get a reliever. Travis Wood gives us good MLB depth back as well.

Lots of savings and lots of value. This deal could really help the O's in the FA market in being able to have some leverage and helps us with the MLB ready AAA type talent this team is really lacking right now.

[Nick The Stick]

I said Tony Butler-ESQUE...Just as he was basically the 5th player in the Bedard deal, a player like him being the 5th guy in this deal. Low minors player with some upside but far from an elite prospect.

I see what you mean now.

[The Maestro]

I'd do Guthrie for Alonso and Cozart yesterday, but I'm not crazy about adding JJ to the deal unless Grandal was part of it.

[JeterJumps]

Throw in Vladi and I'll do it.

[O-The-Memories]

I'd do it with hesitation. Guthrie is unlikely to be part of the team when we contend, so Alonso plus a Butler type would do it for that part of the trade.

Now I would like to extend Hardy, but only for prospects that would likely be better than the ones we would get if he walks. I think Cozart will be an MLB average middle IF with an OPS around .725-.750. Wood is as good (or better) of a prospect as someone like David Hernandez, with a good 2010. I think he would start right away on the Orioles, and he's younger than Guthrie with a similar upside in my opinion. I don't know much about Boxberger though, so could someone help (besides just stats, actual opinions)?

I don't think JJ Hardy is this good, or this durable. Plus, I think he walks for picks before we sign him for a fair market price. Good proposal, and fair. I think we might be asking for too much to include a Butler type though in addition.

[PHRESH]

If this were the only deal on the table, I'd have to really consider pulling the trigger. I'd rather work Gregg into the deal than pick up a Tony Butler-esque prospect though.

[MikeAD]

If Hardy will not extend you make this trade. If hes willing to extend I hesitate.

[GoldGlove21]

For me, I wouldn't do it, but Cincy should. They could be looking at two players who would grant them four additional picks moving forward. If the Orioles are going to trade Guthrie alone, then I would say yes to Alonso and Boxberger. I am not that interested in dealing Hardy however.

[GoldGlove21]

Because you would be trading away your best pitcher and an elite shortstop for a young first baseman who hits with very little power and is average at best on the defensive side. You would be replacing an elite shortstop with a decent one and you may be getting another Kotchman type option at first.

If we a re dealing both players together then I want an elite prospect. If we do not get that, then I would prefer to hold out for picks or extend Hardy and deal Guthrie.

[El Gordo]

Yes, assuming we are well out of it at the TD.