Who are the next few to 3000?

[TakebackOPACY]

ARod is the obvious choice.

Ivan Rodriguez (39) 2842 - now a back-up catcher with 25 hits so far this year.

Omar Vizquel (44) 2833

ARod (35) 2762

Johnny Damon (37) 2663

Chipper Jones (39) 2565

Vlad (36) 2513

Tejada (37) 2354

Ichiro (37) 2345 - 1278 hits in Japan's Pacific League. 210 hits in a Japanese 130-game schedule. Ten seasons in MLB; more than 200 hits in all of them.

Bobby Abreu (37) 2345

Todd Helton (37) 2321

Renteria (34) 2284

Most hits by a player in his 20's:

Carl Crawford (29) 1544

Miguel Cabrera (28) 1498

Jose Reyes (28) 1243

David Wright (28) 1182

Robinson Cano (28) 1174

[mweb]

It would be interesting to see how the HOF voters treat Damon if he reaches 3,000 hits.

[Can_of_corn]

Arod and Ichiro from the first group, second group is too far away to prognosticate.

[ShaneDawg85]

As long as he plays I view A-Rod as pretty much a lock. Despite his age, I think Ichiro has a really good shot at it. Chipper will probably retire either after this season or next, and I'm not sure if Damon can hang on long enough to do it.

[Skeletor]

I can't see Suzuki making it. That's a lot of hits left and he's been playing pretty poorly lately. He'd have to take the Biggio route.

[Can_of_corn]

I can't see Suzuki making it. That's a lot of hits left and he's been playing pretty poorly lately. He'd have to take the Biggio route.

If Ichiro hits 3000 in the US then with his 1278 in Japan he has a case for being the all time hit king (Rose at 4256). I think he will be driven by those twin goals.

Even this year he is on pace for 184 hits. He gets a lot of at bats and doesn't walk in many of them.

[sangar]

If Ichiro hits 3000 in the US then with his 1278 in Japan he has a case for being the all time hit king (Rose at 4256). I think he will be driven by those twin goals.

Even this year he is on pace for 184 hits. He gets a lot of at bats and doesn't walk in many of them.

If Suzuki is allowed to count his hits in Japan then shouldn't Rose be allowed to count his minor league hits?

[ccbird]

It would be interesting to see how the HOF voters treat Damon if he reaches 3,000 hits.

I think Damon is probably going to get there too. He's gonna end this year over 2700 hits. If he finds a way to get regular ABs the next two years and stays healthy he's gonna get it.

Ichiro is a lock provided health. He'll probably need 4 more years but he's the type that will be effective into his 40s. He can still run and play defense. Plus, he's the face of that fanchise. Seattle will allow him to hang on and get there.

I'm not gonna rule out Vladdy either. I think he's determined to get there. He'll end this year over 2600. We know he's going to get his cuts in at the plate. Even if he doesn't get the regular at bats I don't think 3 more years of 120-130 hits is out of the question.

[mweb]

I think Damon is probably going to get there too. He's gonna end this year over 2700 hits. If he finds a way to get regular ABs the next two years and stays healthy he's gonna get it.

Ichiro is a lock provided health. He'll probably need 4 more years but he's the type that will be effective into his 40s. He can still run and play defense. Plus, he's the face of that fanchise. Seattle will allow him to hang on and get there.

I'm not gonna rule out Vladdy either. I think he's determined to get there. He'll end this year over 2600. We know he's going to get his cuts in at the plate. Even if he doesn't get the regular at bats I don't think 3 more years of 120-130 hits is out of the question.

I agree that Damon has a solid shot at 3,000. Assuming Biggio gets in, Damon would be the only guy with that achievement not in the HOF other than Raffy and Rose who aren't in for other reasons. It's hard to imagine him making it though, even though his case isn't bad compared to some guys that are in.

I don't think Vlad will get the plate appearances necessary unless he steps it up the rest of the year. Slow DH's don't get near as much leeway as others when it comes to be given chances at an old age.

[ccbird]

I agree that Damon has a solid shot at 3,000. Assuming Biggio gets in, Damon would be the only guy with that achievement not in the HOF other than Raffy and Rose who aren't in for other reasons. It's hard to imagine him making it though, even though his case isn't bad compared to some guys that are in.

I don't think Vlad will get the plate appearances necessary unless he steps it up the rest of the year. Slow DH's don't get near as much leeway as others when it comes to be given chances at an old age.

I just don't think of Damon as a HOFer but my guess is you'd fine comparable or lesser OF'ers in the HOF. He'd probably get there but it would take awhile.

I agree that the way Vladdy finishes the year this year will be a big factor. If he hits enough to get regular ABs time next year it greatly increases his chances. The rest of 2011 and ultimately 2012 will be crucial for him.

[mweb]

I just don't think of Damon as a HOFer but my guess is you'd fine comparable or lesser OF'ers in the HOF. He'll probably get there but it would take awhile.

In terms of WAR, he beats Puckett and Rice among others. But so does Mike Cameroon, JD Drew, Brett Butler, Fred Lynn, Tony Phillips, Ellis Burks and plenty of others that won't sniff the HOF.

[DrungoHazewood]

If Suzuki is allowed to count his hits in Japan then shouldn't Rose be allowed to count his minor league hits?

Ichiro's Japanese hits came in a league that legitimately could be called AAAA. It's certainly the best baseball league outside of the AL/NL. The Japanese Leagues are probably about the same quality as the majors prior to WWII, absolutely better than the majors in the 1800s. As far as I'm concerned he's already over 3000. He has more claim to that hit total than Cap Anson.

Rose had 427 minor league hits, over 200 in class D leagues, none above A ball. Cobb had 166 minor league hits, none above Class C.

And I don't see any problem putting some emphasis on professional baseball records that include non-major leagues. There are some really impressive records nobody has ever heard of because they didn't happen in leagues that have been blessed as "Major".

I just don't think of Damon as a HOFer but my guess is you'd fine comparable or lesser OF'ers in the HOF. He'd probably get there but it would take awhile.

That's a pretty slippery slope. If you inducted everyone greater than or equal to the worst current HOFer you'd have about 1000-1500 players in the Hall. There are currently, what, 250? Bill Mazeroski and Tommy McCarthy wouldn't have been the best players on the 2011 Orioles.

[JamesI]

Arod will get there, barring injuries.

Ichiro should get there.

Damon might, but I'm not sure he can hang on.

For the under 30 crowd, Crawford and Cabrera seem the most likely.

[ccbird]

Ichiro's Japanese hits came in a league that legitimately could be called AAAA. It's certainly the best baseball league outside of the AL/NL. The Japanese Leagues are probably about the same quality as the majors prior to WWII, absolutely better than the majors in the 1800s. As far as I'm concerned he's already over 3000. He has more claim to that hit total than Cap Anson.

Rose had 427 minor league hits, over 200 in class D leagues, none above A ball. Cobb had 166 minor league hits, none above Class C.

And I don't see any problem putting some emphasis on professional baseball records that include non-major leagues. There are some really impressive records nobody has ever heard of because they didn't happen in leagues that have been blessed as "Major".

That's a pretty slippery slope. If you inducted everyone greater than or equal to the worst current HOFer you'd have about 1000-1500 players in the Hall. There are currently, what, 250? Bill Mazeroski and Tommy McCarthy wouldn't have been the best players on the 2011 Orioles.

I'm not advocating current/retiring players resumes compared to other HOFers as much of a factor in determining HOF status. However, in the case of someone like Damon who reaches a milestone like 3000 hits and there is still uncertainty about his HOF status I think it's fair to compare his career to others who have played his position and are in the HOF.

[DrungoHazewood]

I'm not advocating current/retiring players resumes compared to other HOFers as much of a factor in determining HOF status. However, in the case of someone like Damon who reaches a milestone like 3000 hits and there is still uncertainty about his HOF status I think it's fair to compare his career to others who have played his position and are in the HOF.

I think if you do that you'll see that he's in an area where about 80% or more of outfielders are out. And the comparable players who're in were friends of Frankie Frisch and got in via the Vet's Committee during their "Let's induct anyone who played between 1920-30" phase.