MFY's/Rockies talking Ubaldo Jimenez deal?

[ChaosLex]

I've read conflicting things about this. One writer said that there's literally no way the MFY's and Rockies will be able to work out a trade. Someone else just tweeted that the Rockies may take Montero, but not as the centerpiece.

So, what say you? Will you be glad to see a Jimenez deal go down if it empties the MFY's farm system? Or would adding Jimenez to the MFY's rotation just make things worse? Not that things can get much worse for the Birds.

[Burg]

I've read conflicting things about this. One writer said that there's literally no way the MFY's and Rockies will be able to work out a trade. Someone else just tweeted that the Rockies may take Montero, but not as the centerpiece.

So, what say you? Will you be glad to see a Jimenez deal go down if it empties the MFY's farm system? Or would adding Jimenez to the MFY's rotation just make things worse? Not that things can get much worse for the Birds.

I think this would be another huge hurdle for the O's to overcome. Quite frankly, the MFY's farm system is irrelevant because they can throw a quarter of billion at proven stars.

[Sports Guy]

The Rockies asked for the Yankees top 3 prospects plus Nova for him.

That obviously isn't going to happen but the Yankees do have players the Rockies want. The Rockies have said it will take a lot to get him. If the Yankees want Ubaldo in a big way, they can get him. Its just a matter of how much will Colorado come down in their demands and how much will the Yankees be willing to give him?

[Saintbird]

I think this would be another huge hurdle for the O's to overcome. Quite frankly, the MFY's farm system is irrelevant because they can throw a quarter of billion at proven stars.

Bingo.

I think the trade COULD happen if the Yankees feel that either, Jeter or Rivera are retiring soon. Send them off with a championship.

I'm stretching a little but I feel like that could be the case.

[GoldGlove21]

The Rockies saying that they would take Montero, but not as the centerpiece of the deal means that they want pitching in exchange for pitching. We will likely see the same thing happen if the Orioles deal Guthrie and Jimenez is one of the best young pitchers in the game and he is signed to a quality contract.

The Rockies are asking for Banuelos (41), Betances (43), Montero (3), and Nova. The ranking are based off of Baseball America's 2011 report. All three of these guys were ranked highly by Baseball America coming into the 2011 season as well. In addition to three of the best prospects in the game, Nova is a solid arm as well.

Can you imagine even discussing a package of Matusz, Britton, Wieters and Guthrie if those three were prospects at the same time? This board would be going crazy to even discuss that much talent for one player even he were an ace. I might be one of the few people that hope the Yankees make that deal and give up most of their top tier talent. They still would have Sanchez (30), Brackman (78) and Romine (98) as top-100 prospects, but it would likely decrease the odds of them making a huge deal down the line.

Of course, it would also make them the best team in baseball. I hate the Yankees, but they do use their prospects for what good teams should use them for, getting better and winning World Series. This deal could also really help the Rockies. They shed payroll and add some of the games best prospects to Matzek (32), Rosario (49), and Arendo (80). If the Rockies can add 3 top 30 prospects to the mix, then all of a sudden they might be able to argue that they have the best farm system in the game in 2012.

The Yankees making this deal is not an example of baseball being busted, it just further shows how far the Orioles farm system is behind many of the other AL teams.

[GoldGlove21]

Bingo.

I think the trade COULD happen if the Yankees feel that either, Jeter or Rivera are retiring soon. Send them off with a championship.

I'm stretching a little but I feel like that could be the case.

The Yankees system is not irrelevant because they would be using that system to land another ace. What if Sabathia opts out? Jimenez gives the Yankees a little leverage IMO and he might be a better pitcher than CC IMO. I would imagine the Yankees would have no issue bringing Sabathia back, but anything you can set your team up to win a couple more World Series titles in a 5 year period, you do so. The Yankees can deal some of those good youngs arms because they are getting one back and still have Brackman in the minors. The Yankees seem to want to make Montero the main part of the deal and add Romine/Sanchez and one of the Brackman/Betances arms to the deal. They probably would include Nova as well, but I do not think the Yankees want to include Banuelos and give up the top part of their farm system.

One thing to note is that very few teams can compete with the Yankees when it comes to top prospects. The Royals, Rays, Rangers and Giants could do it.

[scOtt]

I think this would be another huge hurdle for the O's to overcome. Quite frankly, the MFY's farm system is irrelevant because they can throw a quarter of billion at proven stars.

That's the worst part of the Yankees. They can throw a ton of money at it for a couple years. Then start trading away the major leaguers for prospects. Then later trade the prospects for the big deal. It's a very tough cycle for most teams to keep up with.

[Stotle]

The Rockies asked for the Yankees top 3 prospects plus Nova for him.

That obviously isn't going to happen but the Yankees do have players the Rockies want. The Rockies have said it will take a lot to get him. If the Yankees want Ubaldo in a big way, they can get him. Its just a matter of how much will Colorado come down in their demands and how much will the Yankees be willing to give him?

Montero -- Venezuela ($1.6 million)

Banuelos -- Mexico ($450 K)

Nova -- Dominican Republic (couldn't find bonus amount)

Sigh.....

[Sports Guy]

Montero -- Venezuela ($1.6 million)

Banuelos -- Mexico ($450 K)

Nova -- Dominican Republic (couldn't find bonus amount)

Sigh.....

Ehhh, who needs that talent Nick? The Orioles get by just fine without it.

[SilentJames]

Ehhh, who needs that talent Nick? The Orioles get by just fine without it.

Ehh. Outside of Cano and Gardner they haven't produced anyone worth it since Jeter's class. And I am being generous when I include Gardner, I know his defense makes him "elite" but I think we all agree that is open for a lot of debate.

Frankly I say let them trade away their prospects for Jimenez.

[GoldGlove21]

Ehh. Outside of Cano and Gardner they haven't produced anyone worth it since Jeter's class. And I am being generous when I include Gardner, I know his defense makes him "elite" but I think we all agree that is open for a lot of debate.

Frankly I say let them trade away their prospects for Jimenez.

Cano came from the Rangers I thought. Gardner is not elite IMO, but not ever prospect needs to be. The Yankees also haven't needed to produce much. They made a great trade to get Granderson and we see what he has done for them.

I just read that the Yankees do not want to give up their two best prospects after Montero or Nova to get Jimenez. What are they thinking? Probably just posturing at this point. The Rockies want Montero, Banuelos, Batances and Nova. I would imagine the Yankees would give them Montero, Nova and maybe Betances. I have said it before, the Yankees really like Banuelos. I am starting to think that the Rockies make the deal for Jimenez and the Rockies get Montero, Betances, Nova and a guy like Romine.

If I were the Yankees I would want the deal to be Montero, Nova, Romine, and Brackman as well. If I am the Rockies though, I just put my ace on the trade block after extending him just a year ago. That can not make him happy. I think I would ask the Yankees for Montero, Betances, Nova and Culver.

I like Jimenez, but one top-10 prospect, one top-25 prospect, one top-40 prospect and a guy like Nova is a lot for one team to give up. I can only think of three other teams that even have that kind of talent (Royals, Rays, and Cardinals). The Royals and Rays are not giving up their young talent for a pitcher, even one of Jimenez's ability. I just can't see the Cardinals taking on that contract with Carpenter ($14M) Wainwright ($6.5M+), Lohse ($12M) and Westbrook ($8M) currently on the books. It is not the like the Cardinals need Jimenez either, but you could say the same for the Yankees I suppose.

[Stotle]

Ehhh, who needs that talent Nick? The Orioles get by just fine without it.

All three signed for combined less than $3 million, which is why the "$4 million signings off of BP" comments are silly, in my opinion. There's affordable talent if you are willing to invest in farming it.

[Sports Guy]

Ehh. Outside of Cano and Gardner they haven't produced anyone worth it since Jeter's class. And I am being generous when I include Gardner, I know his defense makes him "elite" but I think we all agree that is open for a lot of debate.

Frankly I say let them trade away their prospects for Jimenez.

Really? They have produced more than that, not to mention they have used their farm system to get more established talent.

[Aglets]

Interesting fact I learned today. Apparently the Yankees tried to trade Cano to Arizona as a part of the Randy Johnson deal.......but the D'backs rejected Robinson. So NYY kept him.

If only...........

[GoldGlove21]

Interesting fact I learned today. Apparently the Yankees tried to trade Cano to Arizona as a part of the Randy Johnson deal.......but the D'backs rejected Robinson. So NYY kept him.

If only...........

Not only that, but when the Yankees were dealing with the Rangers years ago, the Yankees wanted Arias and the Rangers liked him more than Cano, so the Yankees got Cano.