Putting Bundy, Machado and our other Keys players into the league context

[Frobby]

League average ERA: 3.72

League average OPS: .698

Bundy's 3.11 ERA is 12th in the league. Unlike some years, not too many of the leaders are guys who are 24+ years old. Several of the guys ahead of Bundy are also 21 years old -- Wieland (2.10 ERA, 96-4 K-BB ratio; promoted to the Texas league now), Odorizzi (2.87 ERA, promoted to the Texas league now), Arguellas (2.92 ERA), and Spruill (3.06 ERA).

It is nice to know that Machado's .720 OPS is actually above league average. He is easily the youngest player in the league. His birthday is July 6, 1992; everyone else in the league was born in 1991 (only 7 players) or earlier, and the vast majority of players in the league were born in the 1980's. He's hitting .292/.386/.458 in July.

My guess is that both make the league Top 20, with Machado no. 1 and Bundy maybe around 10th. I'd guess Schoop will probably be in there as well despite his uninspiring numbers so far. He is the second-youngest player in the league (born October 16, 1991), behind Machado.

[Greg Pappas]

League average ERA: 3.72

League average OPS: .698

Bundy's 3.11 ERA is 12th in the league. Unlike some years, not too many of the leaders are guys who are 24+ years old. Several of the guys ahead of Bundy are also 21 years old -- Wieland (2.10 ERA, 96-4 K-BB ratio; promoted to the Texas league now), Odorizzi (2.87 ERA, promoted to the Texas league now), Arguellas (2.92 ERA), and Spruill (3.06 ERA).

It is nice to know that Machado's .720 OPS is actually above league average. He is easily the youngest player in the league. His birthday is July 6, 1992; everyone else in the league was born in 1991 (only 7 players) or earlier, and the vast majority of players in the league were born in the 1980's. He's hitting .292/.386/.458 in July.

My guess is that both make the league Top 20, with Machado no. 1 and Bundy maybe around 10th. I'd guess Schoop will probably be in there as well despite his uninspiring numbers so far. He is the second-youngest player in the league (born October 16, 1991), behind Machado.

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[sangar]

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[hoosiers]

Nice thread, Frobby. League average is one benchmark, but there can be some distorting park-effects - not sure how Frederick plays though.

Machado has pushed his OBP for the last 10 games at Frederick to .455 and the OPS to 1.010 - through Saturday night's game.

Also, Avery is putting together one of his better "good" mini-streaks - last six games covering 29 PAs with 3 XBH, 3 BBs and only 2 Ks plus 4 SBs with no CS.

[JDubs]

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[Don Quixote]

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[hoosiers]

Machado had an O-fer tonight, but Avery continues his hit parade.

Avery now has 17 hits in his last 10 games for a .386 BA and .426 obp. The Xman also has four xbh in his last five games to push his slugging the last 10 games to .523 and his ops to .948. For the season, Avery has pushed his ops into the .690s and is starting to create some nice separation from last year's .662 ops at Bowie. It seems like Avery had a recent 10 game stretch filled with strikeouts and now his reversal includes no Ks in the last five games. What a roller-coaster of production and pathetic results from XA. Hopefully, Avery starts to develop more consistency with postive results.

Another hitter to keep an eye on is Connor Narron. Narron is becoming a BB machine and has an obp in the .380s for a 19 year old at Aberdeen. The issue this year has been a poor slugging %, but, like Avery, Narron now has four xbh in his last five games and is hopegully going to put forth a strong August effort.

[Frobby]

Avery now has 17 hits in his last 10 games for a .386 BA and .426 obp. The Xman also has four xbh in his last five games to push his slugging the last 10 games to .523 and his ops to .948. For the season, Avery has pushed his ops into the .690s and is starting to create some nice separation from last year's .662 ops at Bowie. It seems like Avery had a recent 10 game stretch filled with strikeouts and now his reversal includes no Ks in the last five games. What a roller-coaster of production and pathetic results from XA. Hopefully, Avery starts to develop more consistency with postive results.effort.

It seems to me that Avery is one of the streakier players I have ever seen in our farm system. He's been having these hot and cold streaks for three years now. Overall, he is having a pretty decent season, considering that he is the 9th youngest player in the Eastern League (Hoes is 8th). But I really don't see him getting to the major leagues unless he finds a way to start producing more consistently.

[LookinUp]

It seems to me that Avery is one of the streakier players I have ever seen in our farm system. He's been having these hot and cold streaks for three years now. Overall, he is having a pretty decent season, considering that he is the 9th youngest player in the Eastern League (Hoes is 8th). But I really don't see him getting to the major leagues unless he finds a way to start producing more consistently.

Right, but altogether, his progress has been pretty nice, IMO. I want to see him finish this year at Bowie and then play at least 1/2 of next year there as well. Hopefully he can get comfortable at a level, develop a consistent approach, and then move on to AAA.

This is not Machado. He needs significant development time. That's ok, in my book. To expect different would be foolish. I'm pleased with his progress so far though.

[Frobby]

Right, but altogether, his progress has been pretty nice, IMO. I want to see him finish this year at Bowie and then play at least 1/2 of next year there as well. Hopefully he can get comfortable at a level, develop a consistent approach, and then move on to AAA.

This is not Machado. He needs significant development time. That's ok, in my book. To expect different would be foolish. I'm pleased with his progress so far though.

Depending how he finishes up, I'm not sure Avery needs more time at AA after this year. He's now had 500+ AB there, and his OPS has increased each month this year (.570, .707, .734, .749) If he finishes strong, I'd favor sending him to the AFL again this fall, along with Hoes.

[csgordos]

I think these guys are progressing to where they should be and the league age context is nice, but as a counterpoint, we just played a MLB team that started a 19 year old in center field. How old were Griffey, ARod, Andrew Jones, etc when they made the majors. I don't want to rush them, but my hope is with 14 years straight of losing we need to get good young players with our top pick that can help us way before they turn 26 and 27. Because after 27-28 the body starts to go down hill even if it is slow at first.

[NCRaven]

I think these guys are progressing to where they should be and the league age context is nice, but as a counterpoint, we just played a MLB team that started a 19 year old in center field. How old were Griffey, ARod, Andrew Jones, etc when they made the majors. I don't want to rush them, but my hope is with 14 years straight of losing we need to get good young players with our top pick that can help us way before they turn 26 and 27. Because after 27-28 the body starts to go down hill even if it is slow at first.

Avery and Hoes are both 21. I think we don't have to worry about either of them being 26 or 27 year-old rookies. They could both end up busts (I don't think so, but it's def possible), but since they're both at AA now, I'd expect them to make it or be gone long before they hit 26 or 27.

[Frobby]

I think these guys are progressing to where they should be and the league age context is nice, but as a counterpoint, we just played a MLB team that started a 19 year old in center field. How old were Griffey, ARod, Andrew Jones, etc when they made the majors. I don't want to rush them, but my hope is with 14 years straight of losing we need to get good young players with our top pick that can help us way before they turn 26 and 27. Because after 27-28 the body starts to go down hill even if it is slow at first.

You are talking about a tiny fraction of freakish players who make the majors at ages 19 or 20. You aren't expecting that from anyone, much less your 2nd/3rd round draft picks. I do think Machado has a shot to play before he turns 21.

[LookinUp]

Depending how he finishes up, I'm not sure Avery needs more time at AA after this year. He's now had 500+ AB there, and his OPS has increased each month this year (.570, .707, .734, .749) If he finishes strong, I'd favor sending him to the AFL again this fall, along with Hoes.

I want to see that progression into the .800+, or ideally .850+ range. If he's a .750 or even .775 OPS guy in AA, what is he in AAA? And then, what history of AAA progress does this organization have?

I really hope he has a 2 year lease in AA.

[TGO]

Nice thread, Frobby. League average is one benchmark, but there can be some distorting park-effects - not sure how Frederick plays though.

Machado has pushed his OBP for the last 10 games at Frederick to .455 and the OPS to 1.010 - through Saturday night's game.

Also, Avery is putting together one of his better "good" mini-streaks - last six games covering 29 PAs with 3 XBH, 3 BBs and only 2 Ks plus 4 SBs with no CS.

This is old, but:

2006-2008 Park Factor (Frederick): Runs (1.05), Hits (1.02), Doubles (0.97), Home Runs (1.28)

This makes Bundy's 0.6 HR/9 rate look a little nicer, IMO.