Rasmus

[paulcoates]

I think this guy and this topic deserved its own thread since he has been talked about around here for a couple of weeks.

Am I missing something, or should we just show St Louis our list and say "pick 2" and make the deal. This guy seems like a guy would really benefit from a move to a new place. There is a lot of smoke here about Rasmus being dealt to a good number of teams. He will be dealt to a new team either at the deadline or in the offseason.

Would you give St Louis Guthrie and Uehara for Rasmus if that were the ultimate asking price?

[Fan4Life]

Don't think that's enough for Rasmus.

[MrOrange82]

Don't think that's enough for Rasmus.

Seconded.

He might be "worth" more objectively speaking, but I don't think the Cards would give him up for that package, regardless of whether other teams are/aren't willing to offer more. Even with the attitude problems and manager spats, his value is higher than Guthrie/Uehara.

[allstar1579]

SERIOUS overrating of Rasmus around here. A) he hasn't shown he's going to be a consistent player in the ML yet, B) the last 10 days he has ruined a huge chunk of his trade value.

[Moose Milligan]

I think this is the case of OH Syndrome...talking about people enough to the point where others start to think there's a legit interest. A few members start talking about trades they'd do, repeat those trade ideas throughout and all of a sudden Colby Rasmus seems like a great idea when there hasn't been a hint of it actually happening reported by a legit outlet anywhere.

Now Rasmus would be cool...however, I don't think he's on AM's radar. If AM has radar...he's probably looking for smoke signals.

[MrOrange82]

SERIOUS overrating of Rasmus around here. A) he hasn't shown he's going to be a consistent player in the ML yet, B) the last 10 days he has ruined a huge chunk of his trade value.

Rasmus is 4 for 11 (.364) with 4 runs scored, 2 homeruns, and 4 RBI over the last week (not counting tonight). He's 1 for 3 tonight. I think he's been OK of late.

Last year Rasmus' WAR was 1.6 better than the next closest Oriole (4.3 vs 2.7). This year he'd rank 5th, just a hair behind Markakis. Guthrie and Uehara combined aren't even worth a full win more than Rasmus alone, despite his struggles this season.

EDIT: he'd rank 5th this year for offensive players. He'd be 6th overall (Britton beats him out by 0.1 WAR).

[MrOrange82]

Now Rasmus would be cool...however, I don't think he's on AM's radar. If AM has radar...he's probably looking for smoke signals.

AM's scouting department would first have to harness the awesome, magical power that the rest of the iPad-using world has come to know as "fire."

[billybang]

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La Russa: Rasmus doesn't listen to coaches

Continuing an ongoing saga, Cardinals manager Tony La Russa told a St. Louis television station on Tuesday that outfielder Colby Rasmus "doesn't listen" to the team's coaches. It's the latest development in a lengthy series for the third-year center fielder, whose name has long swirled in trade rumors.

Speaking to KSDK TV-5 in St. Louis, La Russa was largely complimentary of Rasmus until the end of the interview. He spoke of Rasmus' bright future and said that the club is not shopping Rasmus.

[allstar1579]

Rasmus is 4 for 11 (.364) with 4 runs scored, 2 homeruns, and 4 RBI over the last week (not counting tonight). He's 1 for 3 tonight. I think he's been OK of late.

Last year Rasmus' WAR was 1.6 better than the next closest Oriole (4.3 vs 2.7). This year he'd rank 5th, just a hair behind Markakis. Guthrie and Uehara combined aren't even worth a full win more than Rasmus alone, despite his struggles this season.

EDIT: he'd rank 5th this year for offensive players. He'd be 6th overall (Britton beats him out by 0.1 WAR).

He's just not done developing yet. He's still got great potential, and it's not that I'm against him, but I have a big issue with the attitude and the unwillingness to listen to instruction. I'd want to see that he can stop pouting about where he's playing and play to his potential.

[MrOrange82]

He's just not done developing yet. He's still got great potential, and it's not that I'm against him, but I have a big issue with the attitude and the unwillingness to listen to instruction. I'd want to see that he can stop pouting about where he's playing and play to his potential.

I don't like head cases, either, but if he was playing up to his potential there would be no discussions about trading him, and the asking price would be way, way beyond Guthrie and Uehara.

[allstar1579]

I don't like head cases, either, but if he was playing up to his potential there would be no discussions about trading him, and the asking price would be way, way beyond Guthrie and Uehara.

Exactly. That's red flag #1 for me, actively trying to trade someone that young and talented just screams something is wrong here. The more they keep saying "they are not shopping him" just means they are shopping him hard.

[MrOrange82]

Exactly. That's red flag #1 for me, actively trying to trade someone that young and talented just screams something is wrong here. The more they keep saying "they are not shopping him" just means they are shopping him hard.

Yeah...but a talent like his is worth the risk at the right price, and it's always possible there's something to the change of scenery argument. I don't think Guthrie/Uehara would get it done, and I'm not sure how much more equals the "right" price, but if Guthrie and Uehara were included I wouldn't worry about it too much. Neither are going to be parts of a winning Baltimore team, Rasmus or no.

[crawjo]

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20110726&content_id=22331588¬ebook_id=22333220&vkey=notebook_stl&c_id=stl&partnerId=rss_mlb

La Russa: Rasmus doesn't listen to coaches

Continuing an ongoing saga, Cardinals manager Tony La Russa told a St. Louis television station on Tuesday that outfielder Colby Rasmus "doesn't listen" to the team's coaches. It's the latest development in a lengthy series for the third-year center fielder, whose name has long swirled in trade rumors.

Speaking to KSDK TV-5 in St. Louis, La Russa was largely complimentary of Rasmus until the end of the interview. He spoke of Rasmus' bright future and said that the club is not shopping Rasmus.

Given how awful our coaches appear to be at getting guys to play up to their ability, I think bringing in somebody who ignores our coaches would be a good thing.

[crawjo]

Oh, and Guthrie/Uehara would be a no-brainer for Rasmus. I'd go further than that to get him, because I think he will be a very good player for a long time.

[allstar1579]

Yeah...but a talent like his is worth the risk at the right price, and it's always possible there's something to the change of scenery argument. I don't think Guthrie/Uehara would get it done, and I'm not sure how much more equals the "right" price, but if Guthrie and Uehara were included I wouldn't worry about it too much. Neither are going to be parts of a winning Baltimore team, Rasmus or no.

Haven't we had enough of guys like that around here though? I know there have been whispers of attitudes like his around here before and people were ready to purge and chase those people out of town, why would we want to bring another prima donna into the mix? Just not a good idea for a team with such losing problem.