Everyday Players

[UnashamedRiver]

Over the last decade we have developed 2 everyday players or starters. Wieters and Markakis may not be stars, but they are on the field every day and average at the very least. What happened????? It's hard to believe our drafting and scouting is this bad.

[Enjoy Terror]

Over the last decade we have developed 2 everyday players or starters. Wieters and Markakis may not be stars, but they are on the field every day and average at the very least. What happened????? It's hard to believe our drafting and scouting is this bad.

I don't think it's fair to count out Reimold, Jim Johnson, Bedard, Arrieta, Britton, Matusz, or David Hernandez yet. Blake Davis could yet be a starter if Roberts doesn't get healthy, as could Adams. Then there are guys like Berken and Bergesen who have been sort of MLB capable in flashes.

[UnashamedRiver]

I don't think it's fair to count out Reimold, Jim Johnson, Bedard, Arrieta, Britton, Matusz, or David Hernandez yet. Blake Davis could yet be a starter if Roberts doesn't get healthy, as could Adams. Then there are guys like Berken and Bergesen who have been sort of MLB capable in flashes.

JJ is a reliever, but yes he is an everyday player. Everybody you just mentioned has been so utterly ineffective it's gross. Bedard isn't even here.

[DrOrioles90210]

JJ is a reliever, but yes he is an everyday player. Everybody you just mentioned has been so utterly ineffective it's gross. Bedard isn't even here.

Arrieta was not utterly ineffective and was injured. Matusz before this year has shown that he can be anywhere from average to very good. Britton pitched very well for most of this season and should continue to adjust to the big leagues. Why shouldn't the O's get credit for drafting and developing Bedard and Hernandez just because they were traded?

[Enjoy Terror]

Why should it matter if Bedard and Hernandez aren't here? Without Bedard we don't have Jones. Without Hernandez, we don't have Reynolds.

[UnashamedRiver]

Arrieta was not utterly ineffective and was injured. Matusz before this year has shown that he can be anywhere from average to very good. Britton pitched very well for most of this season and should continue to adjust to the big leagues. Why shouldn't the O's get credit for drafting and developing Bedard and Hernandez just because they were traded?

Those pitchers have done nothing, but help contribute to the worst ERA in the MLB. They are utterly ineffective. Except for Bedard who had 1 monster season.

[DrOrioles90210]

Those pitchers have done nothing, but help contribute to the worst ERA in the MLB. They are utterly ineffective. Except for Bedard who had 1 monster season.

So Arrieta, Matusz, and Britton will always be "utterly ineffective" since they aren't great as soon as they get to the big leagues? Matusz is the only one of those three who has pitched for more than a full season and has shown he can be dominant. Why don't you give them a little more time. Bedard was developed well but couldn't stay healthy. Hernandez is pitching very well for Arizona.

[UnashamedRiver]

So Arrieta, Matusz, and Britton will always be "utterly ineffective" since they aren't great as soon as they get to the big leagues? Matusz is the only one of those three who has pitched for more than a full season and has shown he can be dominant. Why don't you give them a little more time. Bedard was developed well but couldn't stay healthy. Hernandez is pitching very well for Arizona.

Pitchers usually get worse every single year they are in the big leagues. K/9 starts dropping after age 24 on the aggregate. Every single one of our starters has seen their ERA relative to league average get worse since their rookie season. Every single one.

[BaltimoreTerp]

Pitchers usually get worse every single year they are in the big leagues. K/9 starts dropping after age 24 on the aggregate. Every single one of our starters has seen their ERA relative to league average get worse since their rookie season. Every single one.

Wow...

[UnashamedRiver]

Wow...

It's incredible.

[Oriology]

Pitchers usually get worse every single year they are in the big leagues. K/9 starts dropping after age 24 on the aggregate. Every single one of our starters has seen their ERA relative to league average get worse since their rookie season. Every single one.

Even Britton?

[UnashamedRiver]

Even Britton?

Lol. He'll have to try awfully hard next year to have a worse season than this.

[DrOrioles90210]

Pitchers usually get worse every single year they are in the big leagues. K/9 starts dropping after age 24 on the aggregate. Every single one of our starters has seen their ERA relative to league average get worse since their rookie season. Every single one.

This might be the dumbest post I have read on this site. Pitchers usually get worse every year they are in the big leagues? Why aren't rookies winning the Cy Young every year? Every single one of our starters has gotten worse since their rookie season? Of the three pitchers we've discussed most, Matusz has made the most starts with 47. Arrieta has only started 40 and Britton has started 20. Starters usually make 35 starts a year if they pitch the entire season, so none of those pitchers has even thrown more than a year and a half's worth of starts yet. But I guess they've already hit their peak, right?

[UnashamedRiver]

This might be the dumbest post I have read on this site. Pitchers usually get worse every year they are in the big leagues? Why aren't rookies winning the Cy Young every year? Every single one of our starters has gotten worse since their rookie season? Of the three pitchers we've discussed most, Matusz has made the most starts with 47. Arrieta has only started 40 and Britton has started 20. Starters usually make 35 starts a year if they pitch the entire season, so none of those pitchers has even thrown more than a year and a half's worth of starts yet. But I guess they've already hit their peak, right?

The keyword is aggregate. Meaning the average pitcher gets worse every year. The cy young caliber pitchers compensate for loss of stuff as they get older and get better. And yes our guys have gotten worse every year. Their ERA just keeps sailing upwards.

[DrOrioles90210]

The keyword is aggregate. Meaning the average pitcher gets worse every year. The cy young caliber pitchers compensate for loss of stuff as they get older and get better. And yes our guys have gotten worse every year. Their ERA just keeps sailing upwards.

The pitchers who aren't good enough to have MLB careers more than about a year or two get worse because they get figured out before they can adjust and are not good enough to stick around. The pitchers who are good enough (Matusz, Arrieta, Britton) stick around long enough to work through their initial setbacks and get to adjust and improve from early struggles. That's the difference.