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In regards to Tex:

FACT: MacPhail offered Tex a contract of 7/$150 for a yearly salary of $21.4 million.

FACT: Tex signed with the Yankees for 8/$180 for a yearly salary of $22.5 million.

FACT: The Angels, Nationals, Red Sox, and Orioles were all gunning for Tex.

FACT: Tex used the other ballclubs to get a contract with the Yankees as high as he could, so he could make the most money AND play on the team he's always wanted

FACT: Tex's wife convinced him to sign with the Yankees.

If mom ain't happy, ain't nobody happy. Happy wife, happy life.

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Angelos has been the #1 problem up until 4 years ago. Then he went hands off and hired MacPhail who took his place as the #1 problem.

Had he been more hands on, perhaps we wouldn't be this bad...

MacPhail was the wrong person to hand autonomy to and set this organization back 3 years with his philosophy.

The Orioles were actually better when they were spending money on mediocre veterans and not relying on their farm and that method wasn't successful or correct either.

I agree with this. I also think Peter is ready to let Buck spend his money, and Vlad was one of the first signs of that. Orioles will get at least one of Darvish or Fielder under Buck's new stewardship.
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There is a story there I hear. And the next GM will not be able to remove either of them. He should just pay them to stay home. It is Peter's team and I am sad to say that the next owner will be part of the current problem as well.

I assume you meant to say "the next GM?"

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There is a story there I hear. And the next GM will not be able to remove either of them. He should just pay them to stay home. It is Peter's team and I am sad to say that the next GM will be part of the current problem as well.
Peter is loyal to a fault.
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I agree with this. I also think Peter is ready to let Buck spend his money, and Vlad was one of the first signs of that. Orioles will get at least one of Darvish or Fielder under Buck's new stewardship.

Angelos ok'ed the signing of Vlad because Buck pitched him as a "bargain" IMO. A HOFer on the cheap, plus if we sign Vlad, the guy who famously didn't want to play here because the area didn't have enough of a Latino community, maybe we will win over some future Latino FA's.

Those two things led to Vlad being signed. Like I said, just my opinion.

Angelos is not going to sign Fielder. And the idea of him paying a posting fee for Darvish is completely laughable.

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I don't understand why its so hard for some people to see that Angelos is the real issue. Was MacPhail a good GM? Who knows, really. PA could make any GM look like a buffoon. I don't think MacPhail is as good or as bad as we think. Its hard to make a decision on it when you have a guy who has been hamstrung, and will not throw the owner under the bus and say what the real issues are with the franchise. Maybe Andy will write his memoirs after he leaves and we'll know for sure. lol.

Is there really more than one person who doesn't realize this???

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Hmm, you may be right, but I'll let weams clarify if that is what he meant.
Allow me to tap into the legal minds here. With inheritance taxes the way they are, is it in Angelos' best interest to pass the club to his son(s) while he is still living? In other words, can we be seeing John Angelos as majority owner sooner rather than later?
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Allow me to tap into the legal minds here. With inheritance taxes the way they are, is it in Angelos' best interest to pass the club to his son(s) while he is still living? In other words, can we be seeing John Angelos as majority owner sooner rather than later?

It would have been in John Angelos' interest for Peter to die last year, when the estate tax was temporarily at zero.

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In regards to Tex:

FACT: MacPhail offered Tex a contract of 7/$150 for a yearly salary of $21.4 million.

FACT: Tex signed with the Yankees for 8/$180 for a yearly salary of $22.5 million.

FACT: The Angels, Nationals, Red Sox, and Orioles were all gunning for Tex.

FACT: Tex used the other ballclubs to get a contract with the Yankees as high as he could, so he could make the most money AND play on the team he's always wanted

In regards to VMart:

FACT: The Orioles offered VMart a 4/$48 deal

FACT: The Tigers got him for 4/$50. Yes, only $2 million difference over 4 years.

Your constant hating of MacPhail for not landing Tex or VMart is just ridiculous, fwiw.

And when MacPhail doesn't come back, and the Orioles don't land Fielder (or any other big name free agents), it'll be same ole, same ole.

Angelos is the problem, man.

Angelos is clearly a major problem and you kill a snake by chopping off the head. I was talking to my Father about this the other day. I wish Orioles fans could buy stock in the team and actually get a return on investment. The Ripken's and Plank's of the world need less money as a good portion comes from the fans and could you imagine getting a check from the Orioles at some point?

We may not like MacPhail, but didn't he put better players on the field? Didn't he try to spend on the draft? I don't love the guy, but you have to believe that he has a high baseball IQ. Do you know what I call it when a GM makes smart trades, but can't get players to sign here? The owners fault! We stink and you want to offer good players less money than good teams? That is the definition of insanity!

That is the most depressing part about being an Orioles fan, we can fire every guy except the one that we need to!

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