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FACT: Tex used the other ballclubs to get a contract with the Yankees as high as he could, so he could make the most money AND play on the team he's always wanted.

This is speculation based on what Andy MacPhail said. He spun it to make it look like Tex wanted the Yankees all along so people like yourself would buy it and let him off the hook for a horrible pursuit strategy. He wanted Tex to look like the enemy to mask either his own incompetence or intentions of never wanting Teixeira in the first place.

Any team was in the race in the beginning. Tex even said so. He only chose the Yankees after the Orioles and others made their sales pitch.

The Orioles had their chance and they blew it. Had they offered 8/184 and he turned it down, then MacPhail would have a case, but he didn't and doesn't.

He was either incompetent or had no intention of giving Tex what he wanted and needed to make sure the fans would blame Tex instead of him.

Had Peter Angelos been meddling then, things might have actually been different...

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If David was the problem, and he is now in charge of International Scouting - wouldn't it stand to reason that this is part of the reason that AM has not focused on International signings?

I may have misunderstood SGs intent but I was just reminding him that Dave only took over as player development director at the beginning of 2010 so shouldn't be criticized for player development failings before then. The blame should go to John Stockstill and he has been moved. I believe both Tony OH and Avencil have stated that player development has been a better over the last year or so.

And, no, I don't think AM hasn't focused on international signings because John Stockstill is the director of international scouting; AM has been clear about why he has little interest in international signings and it all has to do with money (he may have stuck JS there just to get him out of the way).

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I may have misunderstood SGs intent but I was just reminding him that Dave only took over as player development director at the beginning of 2010 so shouldn't be criticized for player development failings before then. The blame should go to John Stockstill and he has been moved. I believe both Tony OH and Avencil have stated that player development has been a better over the last year or so.

And, no, I don't think AM hasn't focused on international signings because John Stockstill is the director of international scouting; AM has been clear about why he has little interest in international signings and it all has to do with money (he may have stuck JS there just to get him out of the way).

Actually you have those two reversed. Dave is the director of international scouting and John heads player development now.

John is the better of the two Stockstills which is why he was put in the more important position.

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This kind of article shows why it's so incredibly difficult to judge a GM with the limited information a fan has. It places me firmly back in the "undecided" camp on MacPhail's ability as a GM.

Honestly, the next GM we hire will be definitive. If it's another member of the old guard a la Jim Hendry, that will be the end for me. Supporting an underdog is worthwhile; supporting a self-destructive, ignorant cluster#$!@ is not what I want to do.

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This is speculation based on what Andy MacPhail said. He spun it to make it look like Tex wanted the Yankees all along so people like yourself would buy it and let him off the hook for a horrible pursuit strategy. He wanted Tex to look like the enemy to mask either his own incompetence or intentions of never wanting Teixeira in the first place.

Any team was in the race in the beginning. Tex even said so. He only chose the Yankees after the Orioles and others made their sales pitch.

The Orioles had their chance and they blew it. Had they offered 8/184 and he turned it down, then MacPhail would have a case, but he didn't and doesn't.

He was either incompetent or had no intention of giving Tex what he wanted and needed to make sure the fans would blame Tex instead of him.

Had Peter Angelos been meddling then, things might have actually been different...

Wow. You actually believe this? Wow.

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This is speculation based on what Andy MacPhail said. He spun it to make it look like Tex wanted the Yankees all along so people like yourself would buy it and let him off the hook for a horrible pursuit strategy. He wanted Tex to look like the enemy to mask either his own incompetence or intentions of never wanting Teixeira in the first place.

Any team was in the race in the beginning. Tex even said so. He only chose the Yankees after the Orioles and others made their sales pitch.

The Orioles had their chance and they blew it. Had they offered 8/184 and he turned it down, then MacPhail would have a case, but he didn't and doesn't.

He was either incompetent or had no intention of giving Tex what he wanted and needed to make sure the fans would blame Tex instead of him.

Had Peter Angelos been meddling then, things might have actually been different...

Umm, this is all speculation. You are stating your opinion as fact. Tex has said straight up, on TV, that he WANTED to play for the Yankees, they were his first choice, he was simply waiting for the money to be competitive. It doesn't matter how many times you think AM screwed the pooch in regards to Tex, and I know you were devastated when he wasn't signed after the guarantee of the WOW offer, but the fact remains he ended up with the team he wanted to play on.

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Umm, this is all speculation. You are stating your opinion as fact. Tex has said straight up, on TV, that he WANTED to play for the Yankees, they were his first choice, he was simply waiting for the money to be competitive. It doesn't matter how many times you think AM screwed the pooch in regards to Tex, and I know you were devastated when he wasn't signed after the guarantee of the WOW offer, but the fact remains he ended up with the team he wanted to play on.

"The fact is everyone made the same first offer," Teixeira said.

But Teixeira said he knew going into the free-agent process that he would be remembered as the one that got away by any team that didn't sign him.

"Like I've told people in Baltimore, people in Washington and people in Boston - no matter which team I selected, everyone else was going to be upset," he said. "I thought we gave everyone an opportunity to make their best offers. They did. I talked them over with my family

http://articles.ocregister.com/2009-05-01/sports/24660165_1_angels-free-agent-process-arte

Throughout his free agency, Teixeira solicited his wife's opinion and she kept saying, "I just want you to be happy," Teixeira recalled. On date night, Teixeira asked, "Everything's equal, where do you want to go? She finally said, 'I want you to be a Yankee.'"

http://articles.nydailynews.com/2009-01-06/sports/17913844_1_mark-teixeira-yankees-offer

The Orioles had their shot at Tex. MacPhail either didn't want him, or was too incompetent to get him.

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And you honestly think that he would have come to Baltimore for 4 million dollars more? He has said straight out, after all of the negotiations have ended that he wanted to be a Yankee and he was just waiting for them to pony up. Once he knew they were in on him, no other team had a chance in hell.

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Umm, this is all speculation. You are stating your opinion as fact. Tex has said straight up, on TV, that he WANTED to play for the Yankees, they were his first choice, he was simply waiting for the money to be competitive. It doesn't matter how many times you think AM screwed the pooch in regards to Tex, and I know you were devastated when he wasn't signed after the guarantee of the WOW offer, but the fact remains he ended up with the team he wanted to play on.

Of course there is always the counter quote to your point...

It doesn't hurt him, either, that by the time he's free, both New York teams could be looking for a first baseman, as could Boston. Plus, the Orioles' attention-starved owner Peter Angelos is said to have been salivating for years at the chance to add the well-spoken, well-rounded switch-hitting star first baseman. Teixeira has more power and personality than Orioles great Eddie Murray, and also happens to hail from Severna Park, Md. ...

Teixeira doesn't downplay his excitement about the idea of playing for the Orioles. "That would really be a dream come true"

Here...

So 2 years before free agency it's his dream to play for the O's...

Then we submit 4th place offer after 3 other teams have offered and suddenly he's a lifelong Yanks fan who used to wear Don Mattingly magic underpants to Memorial...That's called a PR statement.

On a sidenote, watching Tex on Entourage this past Sunday was nauseating.

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Of course there is always the counter quote to your point...

Here...

So 2 years before free agency it's his dream to play for the O's...

Then we submit 4th place offer after 3 other teams have offered and suddenly he's a lifelong Yanks fan who used to wear Don Mattingly magic underpants to Memorial...That's called a PR statement.

On a sidenote, watching Tex on Entourage this past Sunday was nauseating.

The PR quote is him saying 2 years before FA that he would love to play for the O's. Why not get every team interested and drive your price up? I know you and Jtrea were hurt deeply, but until you let the Tex fiasco go, the healing will never begin. He wanted to be a Yankee, he said as much after negotiations, you know, when its okay to be honest, because you got your payday.

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The PR quote is him saying 2 years before FA that he would love to play for the O's. Why not get every team interested and drive your price up? I know you and Jtrea were hurt deeply, but until you let the Tex fiasco go, the healing will never begin. He wanted to be a Yankee, he said as much after negotiations, you know, when its okay to be honest, because you got your payday.

He professed his love for the Yankees after the negotiations because at that point it would've been prudent to go...man i really wished the O's had signed me? I don't remember him saying it was his dream come true to play for the Yankees and every other team 2 years prior to free agency. Two years prior. You know when the bidding wars really get going.

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He professed his love for the Yankees after the negotiations because at that point it would've been prudent to go...man i really wished the O's had signed me? I don't remember him saying it was his dream come true to play for the Yankees and every other team 2 years prior to free agency. Two years prior. You know when the bidding wars really get going.

He wears Mattingly's #23. Said he went to Oriole games as a kid, wearing a NY cap.

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