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geschinger Veteran All-Star

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Red Sox fans and Yankees fans aren't guaranteed certain levels of payroll. They're guaranteed WINNING!

Since many believe we have to spend a lot more to be competetive w/the NYY and Red Sox would you be willing to trade a 50% or 100% increase in ticket prices if you knew we'd have a $100m or $120m payroll?

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What everyone is missing in this (and most other) ticket price debates is that any smart business sets prices based on what will make them the most money. Yes, the Orioles could have faulty cost and revenue models, but the likely situation is that they think the current prices are what will maximize revenues (note: not necessarily attendance).

Ticket prices will only go up when there's reason to believe the demand will support it.

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"They are doing this day in and day out. And they are selling out and have a rabid fan base. [The] strongest baseball fans are, I think, the Boston fans. And they went 80 years and didn't win a damned thing but they were supported and they are fortunate to have that kind of fan base. Our problem has been [an inability] to generate the kind of revenue that is needed to compete in the AL East."

Does he realize that he had every bit as passionate a fanbase (or perhaps moreso) as Boston in the 80's through the mid 90s? Does he realize that he could be charging the same for tickets and have the same ridiculous demand for tickets that they have if we had maybe 2 good seasons out of the last 9? The Boston fans have hope for a good season every year and it has been this way for 50 years. Oriole fans have no hope before the season begins. This is why Boston has such high demand for tickets and Baltimore does not. It all comes down to the owner and the organization - NOT THE FANS.

Do you all realize how offensive his comments are? Insinuating that if we had better fans it would be easier for us to compete! Does he realize he is lucky to have any fans at all left?

What a complete and utter backwards jackass.

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We'll my hopes of the O's becoming players in free agency just went down the toilet. Given his statement about Oswalt's contract, it doesn't appear that the O's are going to adapt to the market any time soon.

It's great that Pete thinks pitchers don't deserve 14 million a year, now he just needs to convince every other owner in baseball the same thing, then maybe we'll actually be able to sign a good pitcher.

There is one thing that is certain in life and it never changes. This team will NOT be a winner as long as Angelos breathes.

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He reminds me of any old person. My grandfather goes nuts over the gas bill, water bill, all bills. When he heard my brother had to spend $800 on surgery for his dog's torn ACL, he said he should have just let the dog die (not that it was a life threatening issue).

I go crazy over my bills too and you should too.

Recently a credit card issuer charged me interest on a purchase that was suppose to be 0% for 12 months. A telephone call corrected the problem. If not then I was going to be charged 21% interest on a $1500 pruchase that was suppose to be 0% for 12 months. I always pay them off and never pay interest!

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...and mine ;)

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Tony -- you have to add this one now, too:

Now, I have heard some of them mention that this MASN development might really generate some real funds which would permit the Orioles to spend more money. That's a pretty strong acknowledgment that the key to all this, to get off the losing years and so on, is more money invested on the field. And obviously, with that becoming available, that's exactly what we're going to do. -- 9/14/2006

;) Maybe you could shorten it to "And obviously, with that [MASN money] becoming available, [investing more money on the field is] exactly what we're going to do." That would make a nice trifecta sig block for you.

Witchy

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We'll my hopes of the O's becoming players in free agency just went down the toilet. Given his statement about Oswalt's contract, it doesn't appear that the O's are going to adapt to the market any time soon.

That comment doesn't bother me too much. Many teams a lot smarter than the Orioles would avoid giving any pitcher a 5 year contract at anywhere near the amount Oswalt got.

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Since many believe we have to spend a lot more to be competetive w/the NYY and Red Sox would you be willing to trade a 50% or 100% increase in ticket prices if you knew we'd have a $100m or $120m payroll?

No. I have no confidence that they wouldn't field a 100M team that is in perpetual 3rd or 4th place.

If they win a few seasons, maybe even make the playoffs, THEN I'd say a ticket price hike would be possible. Otherwise, fans just won't buy tickets. They don't care about payroll the way we do. They want a team that they have faith in.

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DrungoHazewood Hangout Grand Counsel

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That's pitching...how about offensive players?

Well, I have always said you may have too many teams. Not because there shouldn't be that many teams, but because you may not have [major league] level players to staff that many teams. So, someone who performs well as a position player or as a pitcher, for example, demands an extraordinary salary. When compared to others who are doing poorly, he stands out as being special, when really he is [just] a good [major league] player or pitcher. A shortage can drive up salaries, especially in pitching. The pitching situation is desperate in baseball.

I couldn't disagree with this more. If all the new stadiums of the past 15 years had been 340-420-340 instead of bandboxes we'd be talking about the shortage of hitters, and how nine hitters were so much harder to find than just five good starters.

It's all an illusion, and Pete has fallen for it.

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Also worth mentioniing is this tidbit about the "Orioles" name:

It wouldn't take anything in particular. It would be a decision really to revamp the uniform to some extent. And we would have to address that, and that may very well be done. I don't really have a problem with that. I might also want to designate the team as Maryland's baseball team. I have had complaints from Marylanders living outside the Baltimore Metro area, complaining we always talk about Baltimore…so maybe a combination might work.

Get ready for the Maryland Orioles...

Or the Baltimore Orioles of Maryland...

Or the Maryland Orioles of Baltimore...

Hey the Angels do it... ;)

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What everyone is missing in this (and most other) ticket price debates is that any smart business sets prices based on what will make them the most money. Yes, the Orioles could have faulty cost and revenue models, but the likely situation is that they think the current prices are what will maximize revenues (note: not necessarily attendance).

Ticket prices will only go up when there's reason to believe the demand will support it.

Exactly my point. Well said.

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No. I have no confidence that they wouldn't field a 100M team that is in perpetual 3rd or 4th place.

If they win a few seasons, maybe even make the playoffs, THEN I'd say a ticket price hike would be possible. Otherwise, fans just won't buy tickets. They don't care about payroll the way we do. They want a team that they have faith in.

Ditto here.....

I don't care if they have $140M to spend on payroll, I don't trust this franchise to spend it wisely. I can envision a roster full of past their prime veterans or "names" as Petey would maybe call them, guys who can help put butts in seats.

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