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Part of me says no way in hell. Now each of them will have another great pitcher. The other part of me says if we could rape the Red Sox system, go for it.

Ellsbury and Buchholz are a must IMO. But that wouldn't be enough. I think they need to add Pedroia to that deal. I'm sorry, but if we're trading in the division, we're getting a king's ransom back (we should be getting one anyway). But my asking price would be Ellsbury, Pedroia, and Buchholz.

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No offense intended but this is not going to happen unless all three are injured playing wiffleball in a backyard in Rhode Island.

I would think a Crisp, Lowrie and Masterson might be a good trade for both teams as you would be getting a cheap, fast, defensive outfielder; a replacement for Miggy and a very good to excellent pitching prospect. They would also be cheap for quite a while which would placate PA.

That is much closer value than Ellsbury, Pedroia and Bucholz.

The Red Sox are not going to give away the farm when they are already the best team in MLB.

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There is sentiment that Santanna has peaked. There is also sentiment that most pitchers peak by 30. Therefore both Santanna and Bedard may become bad long-term investments. Beane seems to have a rather successful formula of trading ---at the worst, a year too early or just right. I'm sure he regrets not pulling the triger on Harden and he is looking at dealing Blanton and Haren now----wonder why?

He got a kings ransom for Hudson and Mulder and refused to go strong after Zito (remember how many here salivated over Zito).

RAKE IN THE BIG HAUL FOR BEDARD NOW.

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Woah now, we aren't getting Pedrioa, and where woudl he play for us anyway?

I would like to get Lester somehow, don't see how though.

If we aren't getting Pedroia, then they aren't getting Bedard. And if we are in total re-build mode and we acquire a 2B, then I would imagine Roberts would be as good as gone. If you got Ellsbury and Pedroia and then you spin Roberts for Milledge and a pitcher, you got your OF set for the next 10 years.

Here's another proposal. How about Ellsbury and Pedroia for Bedard? Do the Red Sox do it? Do the O's. Just in my personal opinion, I don't do that - I don't think its enough.

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If we aren't getting Pedroia, then they aren't getting Bedard. And if we are in total re-build mode and we acquire a 2B, then I would imagine Roberts would be as good as gone. If you got Ellsbury and Pedroia and then you spin Roberts for Milledge and a pitcher, you got your OF set for the next 10 years.

Here's another proposal. How about Ellsbury and Pedroia for Bedard? Do the Red Sox do it? Do the O's. Just in my personal opinion, I don't do that - I don't think its enough.

Again, the Mets re-signed Luis Castiilo to play second base for the next four years. They have no use for Roberts.

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No offense intended but this is not going to happen unless all three are injured playing wiffleball in a backyard in Rhode Island.

I would think a Crisp, Lowrie and Masterson might be a good trade for both teams as you would be getting a cheap, fast, defensive outfielder; a replacement for Miggy and a very good to excellent pitching prospect. They would also be cheap for quite a while which would placate PA.

That is much closer value than Ellsbury, Pedroia and Bucholz.

The Red Sox are not going to give away the farm when they are already the best team in MLB.

More garbage packages from you for Bedard?

Give me a break.

Lester or Buchholz, Ellsbury and Anderson is the type of deal that it would take.

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I posted earlier that Bedards price automatically goes up if dealing in the division....do you think there's any truth to that?

I think it almost has to but you still have to be reasonable.

One thing is for sure, you need to take from them guys who are likely to be big parts of their future.

You can't trade them Bedard and take back a guy that they are dying to trade...Coco Crisp.

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I posted earlier that Bedards price automatically goes up if dealing in the division....do you think there's any truth to that?

It should, but I don't think the Red Sox would be willing to pay it.

Think about the Erik Bedard we know and love being picked apart 24-7 by the Boston media. It doesn't strike me as a good match and -when you add in the health/durability concerns- I bet the Red Sox think they're better off with Buchholz, Lester, Ellsbury et al.

Considering Boston led the AL in ERA in 2007, I doubt they're feeling enough desperation to mortgage their future.

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It should, but I don't think the Red Sox would be willing to pay it.

Think about the Erik Bedard we know and love being picked apart 24-7 by the Boston media. It doesn't strike me as a good match and -when you add in the health/durability concerns- I bet the Red Sox think they're better off with Buchholz, Lester, Ellsbury et al.

Considering Boston led the AL in ERA in 2007, I doubt they're feeling enough desperation to mortgage their future.

I agree but they are talking about Santana.

Personally, i think the Red Sox would be foolish to part with a bunch of their top young guys for anyone at this point...The only guy I felt it would be ok with was MCab because they could sign him long term and he is very young.

Other than that, they should stay the course and if they need a good starter, their will probably be a lot available at the deadline, assuming some of the rumored guys aren't dealt this offseason.

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It should, but I don't think the Red Sox would be willing to pay it.

Think about the Erik Bedard we know and love being picked apart 24-7 by the Boston media. It doesn't strike me as a good match and -when you add in the health/durability concerns- I bet the Red Sox think they're better off with Buchholz, Lester, Ellsbury et al.

Considering Boston led the AL in ERA in 2007, I doubt they're feeling enough desperation to mortgage their future.

I think it almost has to but you still have to be reasonable.

One thing is for sure, you need to take from them guys who are likely to be big parts of their future.

You can't trade them Bedard and take back a guy that they are dying to trade...Coco Crisp.

Yeah, I thought the price for Bedard would have to go up if we're dealing with the Sox...But they just won the WS and Ellsbury played a big part in that. Bucholz no hit us and they shut him down for the playoffs so it says to me that they view him as a significant part of their future. IMO, Pedroia is pretty untouchable, definitely unreasonable.

The Sox intrigue me, but there seems to be a fine line with unreasonable/reasonable.

I suppose what I'm trying to say is that they won a title this year and their youth played a big part in that....I think they're going to be way reluctant to deal any of it.

Boom Boom brings up a good point, their pitching is already pretty filthy...Bedard seems like a luxury at this point, but then again there's the old addage that you can never have enough pitching....

Intriguing, indeed.

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