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There is no way I deal Bedard to a divisional team.

That is absurd...The Yankees and Red Sox could put together great packages for Bedard. You could make the argument that trading Bedard to one of them is better than anything else because we will be taking away from their top young players that they could use for the next 6-10 years.

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If the Red Sox ended up with Santana, I could see the Yankees going hard after Bedard -- feeling that they had to keep up.

But I don't see the Red Sox going the same if Santana goes to the Yankees. Same reason they were cool toward ARod. They're looking too good right now, and have no reason to mess with success.

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That is absurd...The Yankees and Red Sox could put together great packages for Bedard. You could make the argument that trading Bedard to one of them is better than anything else because we will be taking away from their top young players that they could use for the next 6-10 years.

I don't know why. Bedard IMO is going to be a top, top pitcher for 4-5 more years. If we are ever going to compete we are going to have to make sure we improve more than the Sox and Yanks. I don't think we improve over the Sox and Yanks if we pry away there farm by giving them Bedard. For starters they have enough money to improve a lot with FA. (By the way Hughs/Joba aren't getting traded in any deal).

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I don't know why. Bedard IMO is going to be a top, top pitcher for 4-5 more years. If we are ever going to compete we are going to have to make sure we improve more than the Sox and Yanks. I don't think we improve over the Sox and Yanks if we pry away there farm. (By the way Hughs/Joba aren't getting traded in any deal).

Hughes has been talked about in the Twins deal.

And even if Bedard is good for the next 4-5 years, he is only guaranteed to be on those teams for the next 2 years.

How much has it hurt us that Moose is in NY...Have we lost to the Yankees more because he went there?

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Hughes has been talked about in the Twins deal.

And even if Bedard is good for the next 4-5 years, he is only guaranteed to be on those teams for the next 2 years.

How much has it hurt us that Moose is in NY...Have we lost to the Yankees more because he went there?

I have watched the YES network with Mike and the Mad Dog for the past 3 years or so and I have come to the conclusion that Hughes and Joba are untouchable.

No team is going to give a lot up without giving Bedard an Extension.

I don't remember much of the Moose situtation, but he was left after his prime years. (31ish). Plus he did improve the Yankees.

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Why? Are they going to beat us worse than they already do or something? You get the best package you can... period.

Well I don't want to trade Bedard period. If we have too I think we should be able to find multiple teams that put up just as good as a package as the Yanks or Sox.

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I have watched the YES network with Mike and the Mad Dog for the past 3 years or so and I have come to the conclusion that Hughes and Joba are untouchable
You may have come to that conclusion but if they get Santana, Hughes is probably going to be in the deal.
No team is going to give a lot up without giving Bedard an Extension.

Sure they could and maybe he won't want to sign in NY or Boston anyway.

I don't remember much of the Moose situtation, but he was left after his prime years. (31ish). Plus he did improve the Yankees.

The point is, we aren't worse off because Moose is there...Same will go for Bedard.

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Bedards price automatically goes up if we're trading him to one of the Evil Twins. If I'm the GM, that's my story and I'm sticking to it.

EDIT: And ugh...UGH! Seeing Santana going to the MFY's would be horrible.

It's okay though, the rest of their rotation is full of a bunch of fartknockers...this won't put them over the hump. :)

Actually, they mentioned that Hughes and Chamberlain were probably both going to be in the rotation.

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No offense intended but this is not going to happen unless all three are injured playing wiffleball in a backyard in Rhode Island.

I would think a Crisp, Lowrie and Masterson might be a good trade for both teams as you would be getting a cheap, fast, defensive outfielder; a replacement for Miggy and a very good to excellent pitching prospect. They would also be cheap for quite a while which would placate PA.

That is much closer value than Ellsbury, Pedroia and Bucholz.

The Red Sox are not going to give away the farm when they are already the best team in MLB.

I think I just threw up a little in my mouth. Ugh.

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You may have come to that conclusion but if they get Santana, Hughes is probably going to be in the deal.

Sure they could and maybe he won't want to sign in NY or Boston anyway.

The point is, we aren't worse off because Moose is there...Same will go for Bedard.

I would be completely shocked if that were to happen. I would think if he goes to the Yankees it would be for Cabrera, Kennedy, Tabata, and Betances/Clipper.

I would think that NYY/Boston would ask for a 72 hour window to extend him, if not no trade.

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Actually, they mentioned that Hughes and Chamberlain were probably both going to be in the rotation.

Well, Hughes and Chamberlain may or may not be "fartknockers", but they're far from proven commodities in a major league starting rotation.

Hughes has never exceed 146 innings as a pro, while Joba hurled 112 in his first pro season this year.

And, yes, it seems that Hughes' "untouchable" tag gets dropped like a hot potato when Hank Steinbrenner hears the name Johan Santana. That's my perception anyway.

(Don't pay Mike and the Mad Dog any mind - those guys are a couple of well paid morons who've mastered the art of acting like they know things they actually have no clue about)

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Well, Hughes and Chamberlain may or may not be "fartknockers", but they're far from proven commodities in a major league starting rotation.

Hughes has never exceed 146 innings as a pro, while Joba hurled 112 in his first pro season this year.

And, yes, it seems that Hughes' "untouchable" tag gets dropped like a hot potato when Hank Steinbrenner hears the name Johan Santana. That's my perception anyway.

(Don't pay Mike and the Mad Dog any mind - those guys are a couple of well paid morons who've mastered the art of acting like they know things they actually have no clue about)

It is from what Cashman has said on the network than what Mike says.

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For those who think Joba and Hughes are untouchable, think of if the Twins were to offer Santana straight up for one of them. The Yankees would accept that trade in a heartbeat. That means they are not truly 'untouchable.' If the right deal came about, trust me, they would be dealt.

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