If Santana goes to the Yankee$...

[Sports Guy]

This is really getting frustrating.

Tell me about it...It is real frustrating when people totally discount the idea of improving the team the best way possible.

The bottom line is that the Red Sox and Yankees have a great farm system and if we can pluck 3 good young players from them, it helps us.

Who cares if we have to face Bedard a few times a year?

It is crazy to let this stop you from doing the right thing.

If Bedard comes down to the Cubs and the Red Sox and the Red Sox have the better deal on the table, you take the Red Sox(assuming the deal is good enough) and you don't think twice about it.

Taking young, cheap talent from them actually is better for us.

[SrMeowMeow]

I have this crazy feeling that getting mowed down by Bedard a couple dozen times a year would really suck the heart out of the team.

[Sports Guy]

I have this crazy feeling that getting mowed down by Bedard a couple dozen times a year would really suck the heart out of the team.

If losing to Bedard sucks the heart out of this team, the team is doomed from the start.

There are reports that Bedard may want to end up in Toronto anyways...get used to him possibly being in the division.

[Delduck]

This is really getting frustrating.

I agree. While I don't agree with your stance that we should not trade with in the division, there is absolutely no reason to be rude about it.

I don't really agree with trading Erik to begin with but I understand why most feel it needs to be done, and part of me also thinks this way. That's why I flip back and forth on this so much. But if the best deal comes from the Sox's then so be it. We should not be concerned with what other teams are doing at this point. maybe in 2 -3 years we can, but we have to worry about making this team better 1st and foremost. The Sox's are going to be good if we trade with them or not.

[Scribo]

I have this crazy feeling that getting mowed down by Bedard a couple dozen times a year would really suck the heart out of the team.

How would Bedard get to face the Orioles a couple of dozen times a year?

[MikeAD]

How would Bedard get to face the Orioles a couple of dozen times a year?

I think hes saying a couple of dozen strikeouts.

[osfan83]

How would Bedard get to face the Orioles a couple of dozen times a year?

The Sox will be experimenting with a new rotation. Bedard will start 3 straight games against the O's, get 2 weeks rest, then pitch the next 3 game series against the O's!

[SrMeowMeow]

Er, good call. I still think one mowing would be hurtful enough :002_sconfused:

Also, I don't see why there's all this ill will towards Bedard that goes beyond just trading him for value. People seem to think he's less of a great player because he's not a media favorite and doesn't want to carry the team on his shoulders like Cal.

I think he's cool. I think he's one of the few players we had that other teams feared. He was definitely my favorite player on the team last year, because Kakes' (yeah, I think I like that nickname) youthful enthusiasm and Roberts' gritty hustle were great, but having Bedard come in and just completely ice another team was another level entirely.

Hey, if we keep him, an ice-themed nickname would be great - he's cool, he's cold to reporters, he freezes other lineups, AND he's Canadian!

Hmm...time for a thread.

[Dr. FLK]

I have this crazy feeling that getting mowed down by Bedard a couple dozen times a year would really suck the heart out of the team.

Getting mowed down by Bedard? Have you watched this team? We get mowed down by Nate Robertson. We get mowed down by Jesse Litsch, Dallas Braden. Until we get some offensive talent, we will continue to get mowed down by mediocre pitchers. We need talent, and we need as much of it as we can get. Do you think this team will be competitive in the next 2 years? That's when Bedard can go sign anywhere he wants...which could very well be Beantown or the Big Apple. So, let's worry about getting a real team together. Let's evaluate talent and maximize our return. We can worry about what the big boys do once we are able to compete with them.

[SrMeowMeow]

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.

[TinCup]

More garbage packages from you for Bedard?

Give me a break.

Lester or Buchholz, Ellsbury and Anderson is the type of deal that it would take.

Boy, I bet the Sons of Sam Horn are using a lot of "ROFL" when they read posts like this one and earlier ones that have the BoSox gving up Lester/Buchholz, Ellsbury and Anderson - all for Bedard. I mean get real!!

This is yet another example wherein the faithful of OH are too subjective, and overvalue or inflate the value of one of our own and speculate in fantasy. Bedard is a very good pitcher, on the verge of becoming an elite pitcher if his durability ever improves and gets consistent. But he is not at the same level of a Josh Becket for cying out loud.

The Red Sox gave up their prized shortstop prospect Ramirez and a hot prospect pitcher in Sanchez for Beckett, Lowell, and later Mota. They also had to eat a huge chunk of salary with Lowell. In return the Fish got four prospects (at the time). Get the picture?

All this talk of three top prospects (Lester, Buchholz and Jacoby can't be considered prospects any more either) is lunacy I say.

[Dipper9]

I have this crazy feeling that getting mowed down by Bedard a couple dozen times a year would really suck the heart out of the team.

Whoa big boy! So, of the 19 times a year we play the Yankees, Bedard is gonna face us 24 times? Somebody call my momma...I have found a new way to do math!

[Dr. FLK]

But he is not at the same level of a Josh Becket for cying out loud.

They are about the same age.

Bedard is a heck of a lot cheaper. He had a lower WHIP, better K/9, better K/BB, better ERA. Why isn't he on that level? The only advantage Beckett has is playoff experience. And, if Bedard had been on the Sox last year, he would have had some October baseball.

[Sports Guy]

Boy, I bet the Sons of Sam Horn are using a lot of "ROFL" when they read posts like this one and earlier ones that have the BoSox gving up Lester/Buchholz, Ellsbury and Anderson - all for Bedard. I mean get real!!

This is yet another example wherein the faithful of OH overvalue or inflate the value of one of our own and speculate in fantasy. Bedard is a very good pitcher, on the verge of becoming an elite pitcher if his durability ever improves and gets consistent. But he is not at the same level of a Josh Becket for cying out loud.

The Red Sox gave up their prized shortstop prospect Ramirez and a hot prospect pitcher in Sanchez for Beckett, Lowell, and later Mota. They also had to eat a huge chunk of salary with Lowell. In return the Fish got four prospects (at the time). Get the picture?

All this talk of three top prospects (Lester, Buchholz and Jacoby can't be considered prospects any more either) is lunacy I say.

The market for a guy like Bedard is 3 top prospects...And yes, even though they gave up that for Beckett, part of that was reduced because the Sox also took back Lowell who, if you remember, wasn't exactly a sought after guy.

Then, on top of that, Beckett had the injury issues(missing a lot more time than Bedard) and he wasn't coming off of a year like Bedard just had.

[TinCup]

They are about the same age.

Bedard is a heck of a lot cheaper. He had a lower WHIP, better K/9, better K/BB, better ERA. Why isn't he on that level? The only advantage Beckett has is playoff experience. And, if Bedard had been on the Sox last year, he would have had some October baseball.

Points taken but I still stand by my overall post above that we are expecting FAR FAR too much in return for just Bedard!