If Santana goes to the Yankee$...

[Dr. FLK]

Points taken but I still stand by my overall post above that we are expecting FAR FAR too much in return for just Bedard!

And if you don't get it, then you don't deal him now. You wait until the trade deadline, and see who wants a LH ace for a playoff run. You say "just Bedard" like there are lots of LHP with 2 years left at low salary with 220+ Ks, a 4:1 K/BB ratio, a WHIP under 1.1, and a 3 ERA. I think that's a short list, and I bet everyone else on that list would command 3 top prospects.

[TinCup]

The market for a guy like Bedard is 3 top prospects...And yes, even though they gave up that for Beckett, part of that was reduced because the Sox also took back Lowell who, if you remember, wasn't exactly a sought after guy.

Then, on top of that, Beckett had the injury issues(missing a lot more time than Bedard) and he wasn't coming off of a year like Bedard just had.

SG, you of all people, do you seriously think the Red Sox would give up Lester/Buchholz, AND Jacoby Ellbury AND Anderson? Those aren't prospects, those are major league players (now).

[Dipper9]

And if you don't get it, then you don't deal him now. You wait until the trade deadline, and see who wants a LH ace for a playoff run. You say "just Bedard" like there are lots of LHP with 2 years left at low salary with 220+ Ks, a 4:1 K/BB ratio, a WHIP under 1.1, and a 3 ERA. I think that's a short list, and I bet everyone else on that list would command 3 top prospects.

And I bet everyone else on that list could lay claim to pitching at least one FULL season!

[Sports Guy]

Points taken but I still stand by my overall post above that we are expecting FAR FAR too much in return for just Bedard!

You aren't expecting enough.

I have seen some quotes where teams may value Bedard more than Santana because he has the extra year and won't take the financial committment Santana will either if you extend him.

Haren could be a good alternative for teams though but how much does being in that park help him? Teams have to weigh that.

You have to get 3 top young guys for Bedard.

[Sports Guy]

SG, you of all people, do you seriously think the Red Sox would give up Lester/Buchholz, AND Jacoby Ellbury AND Anderson? Those aren't prospects, those are major league players (now).

Lars Anderson isn't a major leaguer now.

And no, I don't think they would do that but that is what it would take.

[TinCup]

And if you don't get it, then you don't deal him now. You wait until the trade deadline, and see who wants a LH ace for a playoff run. You say "just Bedard" like there are lots of LHP with 2 years left at low salary with 220+ Ks, a 4:1 K/BB ratio, a WHIP under 1.1, and a 3 ERA. I think that's a short list, and I bet everyone else on that list would command 3 top prospects.

And don't forget his attractive durability issues.

As they say, "time will tell"....

[JTrea81]

Haren could be a good alternative for teams though but how much does being in that park help him? Teams have to weigh that.

Haren can also demand a trade from his new team if traded because he's grandfathered under the old CBA.

[TinCup]

Lars Anderson isn't a major leaguer now.

And no, I don't think they would do that but that is what it would take.

OK, I meant the former three as ML players and not Lars.

If that is what it will take for us to make the deal fine and dandy, but then I don't see such a deal going down.

Why would they (the Sox) not do it? Because they would consider our asking price exceedingly lofty?

[Frobby]

You aren't expecting enough.

I have seen some quotes where teams may value Bedard more than Santana because he has the extra year and won't take the financial committment Santana will either if you extend him.

Haren could be a good alternative for teams though but how much does being in that park help him? Teams have to weigh that.

You have to get 3 top young guys for Bedard.

Speaking of Haren....he was obtained by the A's, along with a decent 30-year old reliever (Kiki Calero) and a 19-year old catching prospect (Daric Barton), in exchange for Mark Mulder, who at that point had 2 years left before free agency. That would suggest to me that three top prospects is probably not in the cards. More likely, two very good young players and a third piece that is speculative.

[Sports Guy]

OK, I meant the former three as ML players and not Lars.

If that is what it will take for us to make the deal fine and dandy, but then I don't see such a deal going down.

Why would they (the Sox) not do it? Because they would consider our asking price exceedingly lofty?

Because the Sox are smart....They have to see how they are building.

Now maybe if the Yanks got Santana, they would panic some but i doubt it.

[Dr. FLK]

And I bet everyone else on that list could lay claim to pitching at least one FULL season!

Holy Jesus. Over the last 2 seasons Bedard has thrown a whopping 24 less innings than Beckett. Twenty-four. That's it. That's the difference. Johan made 6 more starts than Bedard in '07, and 1 more in '06. I wouldn't call that a huge difference. It's not like Bedard starts 18-20 games per season. He has 61 starts over the last 2 years. That ain't too shabby.

[Sports Guy]

Speaking of Haren....he was obtained by the A's, along with a decent 30-year old reliever (Kiki Calero) and a 19-year old catching prospect (Daric Barton), in exchange for Mark Mulder, who at that point had 2 years left before free agency. That would suggest to me that three top prospects is probably not in the cards. More likely, two very good young players and a third piece that is speculative.

Bedard is better than Mulder was then.

Bedard didn't just have hip and back issues either.

[Dr. FLK]

And don't forget his attractive durability issues.

As they say, "time will tell"....

Your boy Beckett has pitched 24 more innings over the last 2 seasons. Not much difference between "Mr. Durability" from New England and "Captain Fragile" from Charm City.

[El Gordo]

Because the Sox are smart....They have to see how they are building.

Now maybe if the Yanks got Santana, they would panic some but i doubt it.

Boston has a much better shot at Santana IMO. They can afford to give up what it will take much more than the MFY's can. The Yanks could more easily afford Bedard IMO.

[Dipper9]

Holy Jesus. Over the last 2 seasons Bedard has thrown a whopping 24 less innings than Beckett. Twenty-four. That's it. That's the difference. Johan made 6 more starts than Bedard in '07, and 1 more in '06. I wouldn't call that a huge difference. It's not like Bedard starts 18-20 games per season. He has 61 starts over the last 2 years. That ain't too shabby.

I wasn't talking about Beckett. I was responding to your post about not many lefties out there with all the stats you mentioned. But, point taken about most pitchers having "some" injury issues during the course of their careers.