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I won't complain if the pitching improves that dramatically, but I'm not optimistic. Whether it's due to coaching, development, etc., or simply talent, I don't think the O's young pitchers are as good as we've hoped they'd be.
They don't hve to be as good as we hoped, they just need to be a little bit better. I don't think it is a stretch for Guthrie, Arrieta, and Britton to combine for 34 W's instead of the 30 they had last year and I also think that Wada and Chen will pitch well enough to win 4 more combined than the 7 Simon and Tillmon managed last year. And I think it is quite possible for Simon, Matusz, bergesen, and Hunter to each win one more game than they did last year.
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They don't hve to be as good as we hoped, they just need to be a little bit better. I don't think it is a stretch for Guthrie, Arrieta, and Britton to combine for 34 W's instead of the 30 they had last year and I also think that Wada and Chen will pitch well enough to win 4 more combined than the 7 Simon and Tillmon managed last year. And I think it is quite possible for Simon, Matusz, bergesen, and Hunter to each win one more game than they did last year.

When I say "not as good as we've hoped," what I mean is...they might just be bad. Which in turns means that they might not improve upon last year's production, regardless of whether the numbers you mentioned seem like they should be within reach.

Besides, win totals depend on a whole lot more than the performances of starting pitchers.

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When I say "not as good as we've hoped," what I mean is...they might just be bad. Which in turns means that they might not improve upon last year's production, regardless of whether the numbers you mentioned seem like they should be within reach.

Besides, win totals depend on a whole lot more than the performances of starting pitchers.

Really? What about Britton's season leads you to believe he just might be bad? Or Arrieta's? Considering he was pitching in pain, for most of the season with times when his hand was numb, I'd say he did pretty well, and can't imagine him not doing better, pain free. Of course anything might happen, but these two are not likely to prove to be worse than last season and that wasn't bad IMO.
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Really? What about Britton's season leads you to believe he just might be bad? Or Arrieta's? Considering he was pitching in pain, for most of the season with times when his hand was numb, I'd say he did pretty well, and can't imagine him not doing better, pain free. Of course anything might happen, but these two are not likely to prove to be worse than last season and that wasn't bad IMO.

In parts of two years, Arrieta's FIP has been 5.08 and he's walked more than 4.35 batters per 9 innings. What you just argued = a changed story, btw. I remember your previous stance being that Arrieta had a good year in 2011 up until injuries made him perform badly. The truth is that he pitched in trouble during the overwhelming majority of his starts, and his final numbers wouldn't have been good even if you took his poor July out of the equation.

As for Britton, it's early. I certainly haven't written him off. Just talking about what's possible.

And, again, regardless of all this..."wins" are complicated. It actually is possible for the starting pitchers to improve without said improvement showing up in the W/L columns.

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In parts of two years, Arrieta's FIP has been 5.08 and he's walked more than 4.35 batters per 9 innings. What you just argued = a changed story, btw. I remember your previous stance being that Arrieta had a good year in 2011 up until injuries made him perform badly. The truth is that he pitched in trouble during the overwhelming majority of his starts, and his final numbers wouldn't have been good even if you took his poor July out of the equation.

As for Britton, it's early. I certainly haven't written him off. Just talking about what's possible.

And, again, regardless of all this..."wins" are complicated. It actually is possible for the starting pitchers to improve without said improvement showing up in the W/L columns.

it's a shame Britton did not get a chance to pitch a full year in triple A.

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Best part: They extended a two-year contract with an option to Wilson Betemit, last seen missing breaking pitches by three yards in the ALCS. He accepted faster than you can say "Chris Jakubauskas.

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BUMP.... a little quiet today...

http://ventingaboutsports.wordpress.com/2012/01/30/orioles-conspiracy-theory/

This off-season the Orioles have hired a new GM, Dan Duquette. I’ve come up with a conspiracy theory, it’s going to sound real crazy…. I’m warning you…….here it goes. The Orioles changed their logo back to the 1970′s cartoon bird,and hired an outdated GM. Dan Duquette has said multiple times that he wants to build the farm system up, like the Rays, but Duquette has gone out and signed a hand full of middle-aged pitchers with less than impressive numbers. The Orioles were getting younger, and more talented, but with Duquette as GM, they have regressed. Signing middle-aged pitchers is not helping out the farm system. You might as well say the Orioles slogan is, “Out with the new, in with the old.” Don’t get me wrong, I love the change to the logo, but the average to below average pitchers, I could do without.

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