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This is not about the Orioles signing a kid. This is about Korea wanting a new agreement with MLB.

Not really. There would be no request to negotiate a new agreement if Baltimore had not (supposedly) circumvented the system. The KBO has been faced with the fact that an MLB club has disregarded the existing KBO/MLB Agreement, and there is really no guarantee that MLB will discipline the club in any way (thus no disincentive for other clubs to disregard the Agreement in place). Accordingly, the KBO will likely look to rework the deal so that there are clear punishments in place should an MLB club violate the Agreement in the future.

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1. Doesn't seem like ATL circumvented the process.

2. Bong, while approximately the same age, may have been further along in his schooling.

Kinda what I was thinking. I checked and it seems that he was further along in his career at age 17.

It would be funny if MLB took away the orioles number 1 pick.

You sure you're an Orioles fan?

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Remember that Korea is not America. American rules do not apply to the Korean prospects. Nothing is stopping the KBO from threatening any player with loss of Korean citizenship if they sign with the O's. If something like that happens then good luck getting any talent. The most prudent thing to do is apologize and do it by the book.

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Remember that Korea is not America. American rules do not apply to the Korean prospects. Nothing is stopping the KBO from threatening any player with loss of Korean citizenship if they sign with the O's. If something like that happens then good luck getting any talent. The most prudent thing to do is apologize and do it by the book.

Nothing aside from the fact that the KBO has no power to revoke citizenship.

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You think it would be hard for them to make a plea to the government saying what the Oriole's are doing is a threat to our league and we need you to take this action? They have quite a lot of money on the line with the league and if they use that for leverage it's not at all improbable that it could happen.

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It's actually the least probable thing.

Even if you disagree with one possible penalty, there is still the reality that they can threaten the players with other penalties to deter them. They're not going to sit around and do nothing. If they don't like Selig's verdict you can expect some kind of action.

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Even if you disagree with one possible penalty, there is still the reality that they can threaten the players with other penalties to deter them. They're not going to sit around and do nothing. If they don't like Selig's verdict you can expect some kind of action.

I just don't think that will come down to revoking the citizenship of Korean nationals.

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The O's have apologized.

http://brittghiroli.mlblogs.com/2012/02/10/duquette-issues-statement-on-kim/

“On behalf of the Orioles organization, I offer a sincere apology to the Korea Baseball Organization and the Korea Baseball Association for the club’s unintentional breach of protocol in failing to tender a status check in the process of signing Seong-Min Kim. The Orioles respect Major League Baseball’s recruiting policies and the governing bodies and people that contribute to the growth of baseball around the world.”

Hopefully this enables the Koreans to save face and after a short period this will blow over.

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I'm curious if anyone knows how the Braves got away with signing a player at the same age (Bong) without all the hoopla. Maybe they went to the KBO for permission? Still, they don't seem to like the poaching of high schoolers, so it's a bit odd that the Orioles have been singled out.
1. Doesn't seem like ATL circumvented the process.

2. Bong, while approximately the same age, may have been further along in his schooling.

It's reported that Bong was the last and only other Korean player to sign with an MLB team at the same point in his schooling as Kim.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/46291562

It says in this article that the KBA (governing body of amateur baseball) did file a complaint with MLB at that time.

http://blogs.bettor.com/Korean-baseball-suspend-Baltimore-Orioles-Kim-Seong-min-MLB-News-a128297

1997, especially in South Korea, was a different world than today.

  • The KBO was only formed in 1982
  • The KBO reached peak attendance around 1995-96
  • Chan Ho Park became a national hero thanks to his success with the Dodgers in 1996-97
  • As a result of the success of Park and a decision to greatly increase broadcasting of MLB games, the MLB had a huge boon in South Korea in 1997
  • South Korea had a huge financial crisis from 1997-2000
  • As a result of the financial crisis and the increase of availability of MLB games, the KBO suffered. Overall KBO attendance dropped in half from 1995-2000.

I think there's a huge difference between:

one of the best organizations in baseball ('97 Braves) paying Bong $1.7m (1997 dollars) while the KBO was near it's peak in popularity, Chan Ho Park was a national hero, and MLB was the most popular sport on TV,

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one of the worst organizations in baseball ('12 Orioles) paying Kim $550k (2012 dollars) after the KBO has struggled and it's been documented that the popularity of the MLB is at least in part responsible for those struggles.

More links:

http://nabl.zarras.net/bong.htm

http://jse.sagepub.com/content/7/2/187.abstract

http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/p/parkch01.shtml

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It's reported that Bong was the last and only other Korean player to sign with an MLB team at the same point in his schooling as Kim.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/46291562

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Wow, thanks for the research, it's nice to know that the Orioles aren't being singled out here. Even when things were going well they filed a complaint against the Braves. This just seems to be a sore point for the KBO in general due to their declining attendance numbers.

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The Orioles also issued an apology, via press release, to Korea Baseball Organization and Korea Baseball Association for "the club?s unintentional breach of protocol in failing to tender a status check in the process of signing Seong-Min Kim." Kim is the 17-year-old left-hander whom the O's signed last month -- prior to him graduating high school -- much to the dismay of KBO. The southpaw has been suspended from playing or coaching in South Korea, while the Orioles have been banned from scouting KBO games.

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