Oriole fans opinion of Mike Mussina

[Can_of_corn]

"Hey Peter. I just got a deal from the Yankees that I know you won't match, but I said I would call. K bye."

That would make you feel better?

Yes. All he had to do was call and go Mr Angelos are you willing to match 6/88.5? I need the answer now.

You say you are going to do something, you do it.

Pretty simple concept.

He was under no compulsion to say he would let the O's match.

You go back on your word, I lose a lot of respect for you.

[Dexter Morgan]

Cal Ripken used to get "serviced" in the bathroom at Seacrets. Is that on his Hall of Fame plaque?

Does he give out gift baskets with signed balls and cleats.

[EddieMurrayfan]

What a crock. Mussina gave the Orioles a sweetheart deal in 1997, and when that contract was due to be up, offered to re-up on very fair terms. Angelos subjected him to unreasonable haggling, and when Mussina refused to put up with it and became a free agent, he was offered a much bigger deal that he had already offered to the Orioles. That's on Angelos.

Not denying anything about Angelos. The post was about Mussina being a deity if he had stayed in Baltimore. What did he get, 88 mil instead of 78 mil? He could have still lived pretty comfortably on the 78 mil and had a place and legacy in Baltimore that would never be possible in NY - and no amount of money could buy that for him. It was his choice and he chose the $$$ - thus the whore comparison. Thats the bottom line.

He went to NY for more $$$ and is nothing more than a guy who was a FA and whored his baseball skills to the Skankees for $$$$$$. And because of that he's just another guy who left one team and went to another. He didnt win anything in NY and to Skanks fans he's just another guy that was on the team - not even in a special way. Kind of like the girl who spent the night with Jeter and was pissed becasue he sent her home in the morning with his driver and had the gift basket for her with his autographed baseball - only this was her 2nd time and apparently he didnt remember the first time. Mussina is not much more than that to Skankee fans.

If he had stayed in Baltimore he would have been up there with Cal, Brooks, Palmer, etc. Money can never buy that place/status. He took the Skankee whore $$$$ and to us he is just another guy, except he was a Judas - and Angelos part makes no difference in the bottom line.

Mussina didnt get a ring. He got a few more dollars. He greatly diminished his potential status as an Orioles icon/legend. To us he would have always been part of the family. To the NY fans, he's just another whore.

[Barnaby Graves]

I couldn't blame him less for leaving.

[Barnaby Graves]

Not denying anything about Angelos. The post was about Mussina being a deity if he had stayed in Baltimore. What did he get, 88 mil instead of 78 mil? He could have still lived pretty comfortably on the 78 mil and had a place and legacy in Baltimore that would never be possible in NY - and no amount of money could buy that for him. It was his choice and he chose the $$$ - thus the whore comparison. Thats the bottom line.

He went to NY for more $$$ and is nothing more than a guy who was a FA and whored his baseball skills to the Skankees for $$$$$$. And because of that he's just another guy who left one team and went to another. He didnt win anything in NY and to Skanks fans he's just another guy that was on the team - not even in a special way. Kind of like the girl who spent the night with Jeter and was pissed becasue he sent her home in the morning with his driver and had the gift basket for her with his autographed baseball - only this was her 2nd time and apparently he didnt remember the first time. Mussina is not much more than that to Skankee fans.

If he had stayed in Baltimore he would have been up there with Cal, Brooks, Palmer, etc. Money can never buy that place/status. He took the Skankee whore $$$$ and to us he is just another guy, except he was a Judas - and Angelos part makes no difference in the bottom line.

Mussina didnt get a ring. He got a few more dollars. He greatly diminished his potential status as an Orioles icon/legend. To us he would have always been part of the family. To the NY fans, he's just another whore.

You'd have done the exact same thing, "whore." And so would anyone else.

People on message boards are always willing to give away someone else's money.

[waroriole]

This has been discussed many times on this board and people are very passionate one way or the other. Some folks feel that Mussina is the second biggest traitor in history behind Judas Iscariot, others think Angelos is at fault for not treating him fairly and letting him get away.

I'm firmly in the latter camp. I have nothing but respect and affection for Mussina, who at worst is the second-best pitcher ever to spend the majority of his career in an Orioles uniform, and arguably he is the best (but let's not rehash that debate now). I'd love to see him in the Hall of Fame and yes, I'd want him wearing an Orioles cap, though I doubt that's what he wants or what the Hall of Fame would do.

I agree with all of this.

[Babypowder]

My hatred of Mussina has nothing to do with his leaving the team or him as a human being. I hate anyone who has worn a Yankee uniform as more than a temporary roleplayer, and even most of them too.

[weams]

I agree with all of this.

Mr. F Robby ESQ, has been known to craft a compelling argument.

[Frobby]

Not denying anything about Angelos. The post was about Mussina being a deity if he had stayed in Baltimore. What did he get, 88 mil instead of 78 mil? He could have still lived pretty comfortably on the 78 mil and had a place and legacy in Baltimore that would never be possible in NY - and no amount of money could buy that for him. It was his choice and he chose the $$$ - thus the whore comparison. Thats the bottom line.

He wanted 5 years, $62.5 mm to stay with the Orioles. He never would have become a free agent, never would have even listened to offers from other teams, if Angelos had given him that. Pathetic judgment on Angelos' part.

[EddieMurrayfan]

You'd have done the exact same thing, "whore." And so would anyone else.

People on message boards are always willing to give away someone else's money.

I dont know that I would have done the same thing - hard to say unless you are in the situation.

Im not giving anyone elses money away either - just stating the way it turned out.

Would you rather have a legacy and be adored by great fans + 78 million, or have 88 Million and have nobody really care about you as a baseball player one way or another?

Sadly, Angelos made it easy for him to choose the later. But, he could have chosen to stay here . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

[Skeletor]

I dont know that I would have done the same thing - hard to say unless you are in the situation.

Im not giving anyone elses money away either - just stating the way it turned out.

Would you rather have a legacy and be adored by great fans + 78 million, or have 88 Million and have nobody really care about you as a baseball player one way or another?

Sadly, Angelos made it easy for him to choose the later. But, he could have chosen to stay here . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .

Well maybe he could've stayed with the Os and he'd been labeled a loser and be told that he didn't know how to win. And that would've cost him ten million dollars.

[EddieMurrayfan]

He wanted 5 years, $62.5 mm to stay with the Orioles. He never would have become a free agent, never would have even listened to offers from other teams, if Angelos had given him that. Pathetic judgment on Angelos' part.

You will get no defense for PA from me - but it still doesnt change the bottom line. Here Mussina was special and would have been adored forever. Now, he gets none of that from either team or the fans. Maybe he could care less. Maybe he would do it differently if he could. Who knows.

[EddieMurrayfan]

Well maybe he could've stayed with the Os and he'd been labeled a loser and be told that he didn't know how to win. And that would've cost him ten million dollars.

You seriously think he would have ever been labeled a loser by Orioles fans?

[Orioles4Life21]

I enjoyed when we would light him up when he pitched against us for the NYY. Like that game at Yankee stadium in 08? when we knocked him out after 2 thirds of an inning

[Dexter Morgan]

Not denying anything about Angelos. The post was about Mussina being a deity if he had stayed in Baltimore. What did he get, 88 mil instead of 78 mil? He could have still lived pretty comfortably on the 78 mil and had a place and legacy in Baltimore that would never be possible in NY - and no amount of money could buy that for him. It was his choice and he chose the $$$ - thus the whore comparison. Thats the bottom line.

He went to NY for more $$$ and is nothing more than a guy who was a FA and whored his baseball skills to the Skankees for $$$$$$. And because of that he's just another guy who left one team and went to another. He didnt win anything in NY and to Skanks fans he's just another guy that was on the team - not even in a special way. Kind of like the girl who spent the night with Jeter and was pissed becasue he sent her home in the morning with his driver and had the gift basket for her with his autographed baseball - only this was her 2nd time and apparently he didnt remember the first time. Mussina is not much more than that to Skankee fans.

If he had stayed in Baltimore he would have been up there with Cal, Brooks, Palmer, etc. Money can never buy that place/status. He took the Skankee whore $$$$ and to us he is just another guy, except he was a Judas - and Angelos part makes no difference in the bottom line.

Mussina didnt get a ring. He got a few more dollars. He greatly diminished his potential status as an Orioles icon/legend. To us he would have always been part of the family. To the NY fans, he's just another whore.

I can tell you Yankee fans don't see Mussina as just another guy. He may not be on Jeter, Rivera, Pettitte, or Bernie's level.. but unlike many of the hired guns we brought in

like Randy Johnson, Kevin Brown, Carl Pavano... Mussina was a great Yankee and a fan favorite. He got a hell of a applause at the stadium when he threw out the first pitch on Opening Day last year.