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Away from Coors he has been feasting on NL lineups, pretty much, at least from a slash line and WHIP perspective. He was knocked around against the Giants in an early slugfest at Coors, but shut them down quite handily in their own park after he returned from the DL. BB Ref doesn't have yesterday's performance in his stats, so here are his splits and game log from ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/5370/jeremy-guthrie

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/5370/jeremy-guthrie

However, his K/9 and K/BB are putrid, home and away, even though he's had a bit of improvement in the K department in the two starts since coming off the DL. Considering his historic difficulties with home runs, that would worry me as far as a return to Baltimore as well. Would he still outpitch his peripherals? I'm sure there are other issues, perhaps even some that may argue for a return, given the consistency issues in the back "half" of the current rotation; my analysis isn't much. What would you give up to have him back, that they would actually want? Further, what of the pay issue, which was a push factor in the first place?

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Away from Coors he has been feasting on NL lineups, pretty much, at least from a slash line and WHIP perspective. He was knocked around against the Giants in an early slugfest at Coors, but shut them down quite handily in their own park after he returned from the DL. BB Ref doesn't have yesterday's performance in his stats, so here are his splits and game log from ESPN.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/splits/_/id/5370/jeremy-guthrie

http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/gamelog/_/id/5370/jeremy-guthrie

However, his K/9 and K/BB are putrid, home and away, even though he's had a bit of improvement in the K department in the two starts since coming off the DL. Considering his historic difficulties with home runs, that would worry me as far as a return to Baltimore as well. Would he still outpitch his peripherals? I'm sure there are other issues, perhaps even some that may argue for a return, given the consistency issues in the back "half" of the current rotation; my analysis isn't much. What would you give up to have him back, that they would actually want? Further, what of the pay issue, which was a push factor in the first place?

No way Colorado trades him back to the O's. Wouldn't happen without a change in GM's.

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The BB rate is kinda surprising for Guts. Makes me think he has changed something with his approach (looks like more CB's and less FB's from fangraphs). Still a sss, but I don't see things working out that great for him at Coors (but probably evening out a bit more with the splits though).

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It will indeed be interesting to see how things play out re: Ks, BBs and splits. Too bad about the DL stint; if nothing else we'd have a bit more of a sample size to play with, but even so, early indicators, pre- and post-DL, don't look good from a split perspective. One would hope there'd be some improvement in his Coors numbers, but before this year there was nothing to refer to, so we shall see. COC has a valid point in that there would have to be some extreme circumstances for a Guthrie return.

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LOL. He has a 9.92 ERA and you want him back? :confused:

No thanks.

I couldn't care less what he's done in a small sample size in one of the worst pitching parks in baseball.

He has a five year tract record with the O's of a 4.12 ERA. I fully expect to get an innings eater to help with the depth of the rotation... not a guy with a 9.92 ERA. If we can get him for cheap because the Rockies look at his value the way you do, then we should do it.

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I couldn't care less what he's done in a small sample size in one of the worst pitching parks in baseball.

He has a five year tract record with the O's of a 4.12 ERA. I fully expect to get an innings eater to help with the depth of the rotation... not a guy with a 9.92 ERA. If we can get him for cheap because the Rockies look at his value the way you do, then we should do it.

Don't forget the losing.Really don't care what his era is.He's a loser

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Don't forget the losing.Really don't care what his era is.He's a loser

In those 5 years, Jeremy "led" the team each year with the lowest run support. All five years he consistently finished among the top of MLB pitchers with the least run support.

There are some things more important that the "Loss" statistic. Guthrie wasn't amazing while he was here but he certainly wasn't horrible or as bad as his numbers would indicate. He would be a good addition to any championship team if they had the means to acquire him.

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