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JTrea81 Hangout Grand Counsel

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Miller has to be Mora - He fits too well into the storyline - They probaly just altered the spanish thing

Why would he waive his no-trade to play in Seattle? And where would he play? The Mariners have third base and LF locked up with Beltre and Ibanez. It makes no sense for them to want him, but it does make sense for them to look into Roberts for an upgrade at 2nd. Mora is not an upgrade for Seattle.

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They don't. The start of this mentioning the mild interest from the Mariners is about Tejada for SS, not Mora or Roberts. My 2 cents

Again, Betancourt is better than Tejada and Beltre is comparable offensively and much better defensively. This link makes no sense. Roberts is an upgrade over Lopez, and was actually disscussed over at the USS Mariner site as a package with Bedard, hence the mild linkage to the Mariners...

http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/win-now-do-this/

Miller is Roberts.

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Read this again and consider the second part of the sentence:

I was asking about the current defensive abilities of a player the Mariners have been linked to very lightly, and the conversation crossed over into a few players his club was open to moving. What he ended up admitting to shocked me a bit.

The player the Mariners have been linked to very lightly and the player he was initially asking about defensively is TEJADA, not Mora or Roberts. He was trying to get an answer on whether Tejada was any good defensively, probably because of the SS/3B stuff.

The first question/answer isn't the next thing said. He skipped something in between. Specifically, he skipped the beginnings of the conversation cross over. At the point where he put that first question, he was asking why we extended Mora if he is viewed by us as just average defensively (which I agree is a strange question). I think before that he had discussed and agreed with the source that Mora was not a strong hitter anymore, so did we consider him an excellent fielder. When the source said no, he asked "so why the extension if we don't view him as a good fielder [or good hitter]"? The answer that he is the overpaid stable pony for Tejada makes complete sense with this interpretation.

I agree this is very confusing, but I'm pretty sure this is what was being said.

I don't know where you're getting that it was Tejada that he was asking about. It isn't anywhere in the post. If you're reading outside stuff in, you should disclose that as I don't remember the M's being linked to either Mora or Tejada even lightly.

On a reading of the actual post it merely says he was asking about the defensive abilities of a player. Then, whether it skips anything or not (which we don't know), he asks why, if Miller's defense was merely average, did they extend him? On a literal reading making no assumptions whatsoever (other than names/identities), it points to the fact that the M's were asking about Mora/Miller's defense and that crossed over into Sanchez/Tejada being a pain.

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JTrea81 Hangout Grand Counsel

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They aren't talking about Mora to Seattle. The beginning before the Q&A is about Tejada.

BTW, Betancourt had a 725 OPS last year and a 711 OPS lifetime. He is hardly better than Tejada. He makes Tejada look patient at the plate.

No it is not, it is about Roberts. Why would the Mariners want Tejada when they have a better defensive and cheaper SS in Betancourt? Tejada also wasn't extended last year. Again you are reading too much into this.

Why would the writer ask why we extended somebody if they were average in the field if they weren't asking about the player they wanted to know about in the first place?

Anyway I'm going to try to get a hold of the guy and straighten this mess out...

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See above for the transcript as I see it. I'm not saying I'm definitely right, but I think this makes much more sense with Mora as Miller rather than Roberts.

I saw, but I'm just saying that it only reads that way with various assumptions made. Either way, as I said earlier in the thread, I don't think it is either of them. I think Miller is Millar. He's not fluent in Spanish, would seem to be a good liason btw the players and the staff, has questions about his defensive ability, and resigned 11/06 (last year) according to Cots.

Whoever Miller is, I think that's whose defensive abilities the Mariners were asking about.

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It would be pretty funny if this blog was about some other team entirely.

Well, the author said that "Roger" and "Bob" were flipped in the original guys' list, so if the first post is in fact legitimate, he pretty much confirms it's about the Orioles.

I thought it was a very fascinating read (I love me some good espionage) but I don't take it for being worth very much.

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Again, Betancourt is better than Tejada and Beltre is comparable offensively and much better defensively. This link makes no sense. Roberts is an upgrade over Lopez, and was actually disscussed over at the USS Mariner site as a package with Bedard, hence the mild linkage to the Mariners...

http://ussmariner.com/2007/12/05/win-now-do-this/

Miller is Roberts.

More likely, "Johnson" is Roberts.

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Again, Betancourt is better than Tejada and Beltre is comparable offensively and much better defensively. This link makes no sense. Roberts is an upgrade over Lopez, and was actually disscussed over at the USS Mariner site as a package with Bedard, hence the mild linkage to the Mariners...

I suppose you're speaking defensely here, he certainly isn't better than Tejada offensively.

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